Oooooh, what to doooo?

[Timaloy]

18k in the pot 12k to call  your allin with a open ended str draw against a possible flush draw.

I think i would pass, because if you where on a flush draw that takes away 4 of my maximum 14 outs if you didnt have the 8 or 9 of clubs with a better kicker, even less outs if you did. Plus not even 2-1 from the pot so the call isnt pretty against a made hand either and I think you are a really good player so doubling up a dangerous player like you was the last think i wanted to do.

Fold.

[Teacake]

I never knew you had the 8 in that hand Tank. 

The reason I made the bet, instead of the all-in play was that an all-in bet is usually percieved as one that does not want a call. I though betting 8k would show more strength, and more likely to get a drawing hand to pass.

That logic would hold up against most good players but in Cin Cins pot odds, outs, +/ ev, previous hands etc just dont come into it.

I don't really need to tell you that though do I 

[lvlarc_uk]

Next time dont bet 2/3 of your stack unless your going to stick them all in.

[doubleup]

Another good question Tank - it's a very complex scenario and a very close decision. 

On my rough calcs if you call and every player has a 2-1 chance of winning the hand and if you pass and the 2 bigger stacks are even money you are slightly better calling. 

The more of a dog the big stack is, the more likely it is you should call and if you are better than 2-1 against the other 2 it makes it more likely that you should call.

The odd thing is that if the cards were turned over we would see that you were better than 2-1 and the big stack was better than evens - in comparison to my guess at odds, calling increases your ev and folding increases it as well!!

[thetank]

Next time dont bet 2/3 of your stack unless your going to stick them all in.

I stand by my play, I was effectively putting them all-in. If one player had raised I would have called in a flash. I only passed as I read the big blind to be weak and he'd been called by the bigger stack. The more I think about it, the more I'm happy with the 8k bet I made.

[Jinky04]

I was willing to take my chance to hit my flush draw against tank and take him out, even if he doubled up I think I'd still have been  2nd in chips (I had closer to 40K).  I figured I'd make the reraise, assume the button would put me on a jack (which he did) and pass (which he didn't) then we'd see what the cards brought....seemed right at the time (maybe my several pints had something to do with it).

After the button eventually called I knew I was buggered. My worry with Steven's hesitation was that he had a better flush draw and i was drawing close to dead- as it was it ended up a 50/50 which I duly lost. Your face after we showed suggested you had the best of it though tank, plus your promise to "take it to the grave".

If you'd checked to me I'd have bet out, not all in,prob just 5/6k. I'd still defend my play based on the situation, maybe i should have called or passed but if my hand had hit  I would have doubled up to a point to put real pressure on Steven plus you would have been all but out of the game with only 8k and blinds about to hit 1.5/3k. Not the EV maximising play, but a drunken impatient gamble to push for first. Maybe I should just stick to the dealing.........
 

[thetank]

The reason I would have called with your hand Jinky was that Timaloy would have been likely to check it down with you once I was all-in.

After a few pints though, who knows, I mighta gone all-in there too (it'd need to be about 5 or 6 though )

[Jinky04]

Yep, drink can make you do mad things. For example, I come home after the pub and find myself playing a NL Omaha Hi/Lo game on stars.......

Merry Christmas by the way

[StraightFlushBlocker]

Easy fold.

If you call then your up against two opponents, who probably (based on their action) have better hands than you.  Or fold and hope the opponent with the shorter stack gets unlucky.