dtd500 K flush vs Skalie

[Rupert]

thread looked a bit boring so didnt read much of it but I'd probably lead the flop.  As played don't pot the river.  Just bet 24k or something pretty big then fold when he raises.

[SuuPRlim]

Does anyone agree that betting slightly bigger than 21k also stops him 'taking off' more...?
Nope, the idea of betting big to bet/fold to stop yourself getting raised as a bluff is extremely out-dated and if you go with it vs very good players they are going to destroy you, same with the idea that tiny bets induce spazzes, yes from certain players but no from anyone good+

thats definitely another piece of the puzzle to why we bet 32k, it achieves the following
- should get similar value from AA, KK, QQ, Jx, flushes
He can't have Jx, or smaller flushes and It won't get similar value vs AA-QQ

- shouldnt get raised often as a bluff because overbets are often nutty...
No-one who can read a hand well is bluff raising here because YOU CAN have all the full houses, except for 44 in your range

- trying to induce with 10-19k bet won't work enough to make it more profitable than this
We can't induce here because our range is strong and we're at the bottom of it.

- we have a K high flush which is a good hand, we should wager the maximum possible....?
True, but we're vs a weak calling range and everything above that crushes us

As it turns out if you bet 32.6k into 41,300 then folded to the river raise then I think you have played the hand near on optimally. Just to reiterate, this is NOT a good spot for someone to be bluffing in, so it is not a good spot for us to be calling in, if he has decided to go mental and bluff in a very bad spot then he's made the mistake making the play, you haven't made a mistake folding. It's a FOLD.

[SuuPRlim]

OH! Looks like we're on page 3 !

[tikay]

David!

Please desist, we are talking naked aces, not near-naked bodies.

[SuuPRlim]

David!

Please desist, we are talking naked aces, not near-naked bodies.

You always see the dirty side of everything don't you teacake? The point of the post was to highlight the fact that Keeley Hazell would have folded and an under-full, she said the worst hand she calls here is prolly TT. I think she is right, maybe if you stopped  gawping at her we could all learn a thing or two.
 

[tikay]

OK, you are prolly right, speshly as it is Miss Hazell, she always has the nuts.

[youthnkzR]

Ffs where was the  /  on the turn?! I think you have to stick with your original plan and fold here, can't see you winning enough of the time to make the call.

[FrenchieBeni]

David!

Please desist, we are talking naked aces, not near-naked bodies.

You always see the dirty side of everything don't you teacake? The point of the post was to highlight the fact that Keeley Hazell would have folded and an under-full, she said the worst hand she calls here is prolly TT. I think she is right, maybe if you stopped  gawping at her we could all learn a thing or two.
 

Golden.

[jgcblack]

OH! Looks like we're on page 3 !

well played sir, good point, well made... Think Keeley's outlook on the hand was perfect and that she would definitely have gotten the truth out of Skalie even if I didn't.

Lil'D - great tekkers itt

[Pinchop73]

Come on John, own up. You went for a thin one with your 73o and you had to tank fold it. Amirite?

[Mordeca]

As it turns out if you bet 32.6k into 41,300 then folded to the river raise then I think you have played the hand near on optimally. Just to reiterate, this is NOT a good spot for someone to be bluffing in, so it is not a good spot for us to be calling in, if he has decided to go mental and bluff in a very bad spot then he's made the mistake making the play, you haven't made a mistake folding. It's a FOLD.


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