PLO Line check please

[Rod]

No real info on either player, on 10 hands on Genizta but he has raised 6 of them and called 2 only folding 2. Is the below standard or should I play it different preflop after the 3-bet, should I bet the turn?

PokerStars Zoom Hand #108658314446:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2013/12/17 11:18:29 WET [2013/12/17 6:18:29 ET]
Table 'Eulalia' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: gaztaxidrive ($7.13 in chips)
Seat 2: GetmePaid16 ($18.61 in chips)
Seat 3: tesla8coil ($1.48 in chips)
Seat 4: oooMAGooo ($23.77 in chips)
Seat 5: 33teetwo33 ($26.18 in chips)
Seat 6: genizta ($15.46 in chips)
GetmePaid16: posts small blind $0.05
tesla8coil: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 33teetwo33 [Ah ]
oooMAGooo: raises $0.25 to $0.35
33teetwo33: calls $0.35
genizta: raises $0.75 to $1.10
gaztaxidrive: folds
GetmePaid16: folds
tesla8coil: folds
oooMAGooo: calls $0.75
33teetwo33: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [ ]
oooMAGooo: checks
33teetwo33: checks
genizta: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
oooMAGooo: checks
33teetwo33: checks
genizta: bets $0.60
oooMAGooo: folds
33teetwo33: calls $0.60
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
33teetwo33: checks
genizta: bets $4.45
33teetwo33: folds
Uncalled bet ($4.45) returned to genizta
genizta collected $4.45 from pot
genizta: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.65 | Rake $0.20
Board [ ]
Seat 1: gaztaxidrive (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GetmePaid16 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: tesla8coil (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: oooMAGooo folded on the Turn
Seat 5: 33teetwo33 folded on the River
Seat 6: genizta collected ($4.45)

[Rexas]

I want to ask a general question to the Omaha players around here in relation to this thread - Is this hand ever a fold pre? Because I would certainly look at it and think yes, we have AA, but omaha is not a preflop game in the same way as texas, and neither is it a game where an overpair is likely to be a hand we want to take to showdown by itself. As such, hands like this do not play well at all post flop, as even if we do make top set, we are very very very rarely going to have anything to go with it, and to my mind we should be getting this hand all in when short and able to, and folding it when deeper and not likely to be able to get it in.

[Rod]

I want to ask a general question to the Omaha players around here in relation to this thread - Is this hand ever a fold pre? Because I would certainly look at it and think yes, we have AA, but omaha is not a preflop game in the same way as texas, and neither is it a game where an overpair is likely to be a hand we want to take to showdown by itself. As such, hands like this do not play well at all post flop, as even if we do make top set, we are very very very rarely going to have anything to go with it, and to my mind we should be getting this hand all in when short and able to, and folding it when deeper and not likely to be able to get it in.

Good question

Just to give an example, what if the OR had repotted (4-bet) over the top of the 3-bet. I guess we have to fold then?

[SuuPRlim]

I wouldn't fold no pre-flop. I would pretty much always just 3bet the opener here, they've opened UTG so usually have a pretty high card heavy/big pair range themselves and we do pretty well (even with terrible AA) vs that, we'll very likely get it HU (although deeper stacks mean there is a little more chance of getting over-called PF) and we're deep stacked, IP and the hand won't be difficult to play for us really, 2 NF blockers, some connectiveity (A 3 7) and the hand which is often one of the better bluff catchers for later streets.

The other option to 3betting would be to play how you played and just set-mine with it, there is a lot of value to set-over-set people and obviously if you have AA you will never be on the wrong side of a set-over-set, so taking some rubbish AA multi-way is often quite good.

Once you been 4bet behind you can pot to $4.60 I think, which is what I would do now the action is back on me, pot will be like $14 OTF and stacks only a bit deeper than that - I think you'll get calls pre-flop from hands that should really fold AKQ* and KK** etc which is a really good spot for you.

3betting defo the best option here though IMO, Iknow your AA is really bad but you are a good equity favorite over UTG right now and you have to hammer home that advantage, we can't just wait to be dealt AA78ds every time before we start moving our chips about.

[OverTheBorder]

I want to ask a general question to the Omaha players around here in relation to this thread - Is this hand ever a fold pre? Because I would certainly look at it and think yes, we have AA, but omaha is not a preflop game in the same way as texas, and neither is it a game where an overpair is likely to be a hand we want to take to showdown by itself. As such, hands like this do not play well at all post flop, as even if we do make top set, we are very very very rarely going to have anything to go with it, and to my mind we should be getting this hand all in when short and able to, and folding it when deeper and not likely to be able to get it in.

Good question

Just to give an example, what if the OR had repotted (4-bet) over the top of the 3-bet. I guess we have to fold then?

I may be behind the curve but I would bet all my betting disks if that happened! And be pretty happy

[OverTheBorder]

I want to ask a general question to the Omaha players around here in relation to this thread - Is this hand ever a fold pre? Because I would certainly look at it and think yes, we have AA, but omaha is not a preflop game in the same way as texas, and neither is it a game where an overpair is likely to be a hand we want to take to showdown by itself. As such, hands like this do not play well at all post flop, as even if we do make top set, we are very very very rarely going to have anything to go with it, and to my mind we should be getting this hand all in when short and able to, and folding it when deeper and not likely to be able to get it in.

Good question

Just to give an example, what if the OR had repotted (4-bet) over the top of the 3-bet. I guess we have to fold then?

I may be behind the curve but I would bet all my betting disks if that happened! And be pretty happy

Or pot clearly

[SuuPRlim]

oh yes certainly would be 5betting if I got 4bet.

[Rexas]

I want to ask a general question to the Omaha players around here in relation to this thread - Is this hand ever a fold pre? Because I would certainly look at it and think yes, we have AA, but omaha is not a preflop game in the same way as texas, and neither is it a game where an overpair is likely to be a hand we want to take to showdown by itself. As such, hands like this do not play well at all post flop, as even if we do make top set, we are very very very rarely going to have anything to go with it, and to my mind we should be getting this hand all in when short and able to, and folding it when deeper and not likely to be able to get it in.

Good question

Just to give an example, what if the OR had repotted (4-bet) over the top of the 3-bet. I guess we have to fold then?

Think this is actually the nut result for our hand, a chance to get it all in with the best hand, and the only time I think this hand is at all playable :p

[BangBang]

I want to ask a general question to the Omaha players around here in relation to this thread - Is this hand ever a fold pre? Because I would certainly look at it and think yes, we have AA, but omaha is not a preflop game in the same way as texas, and neither is it a game where an overpair is likely to be a hand we want to take to showdown by itself. As such, hands like this do not play well at all post flop, as even if we do make top set, we are very very very rarely going to have anything to go with it, and to my mind we should be getting this hand all in when short and able to, and folding it when deeper and not likely to be able to get it in.

I play a lot of live low limit Omaha 1-2, 1-3 and 2-5 occasional 5-10 and can see why you are asking this question, most of the time I would be trying to get in as much money as I can with this hand preflop.  However there are the rare occasions where the table is pretty deep and loose with a very low percentage of players folding pre even to 4bets, in these situations I usually call to lower variance and fold if I don’t hit the flop hard and the action is crazy… 

The only time I have folded Aces pre in Omaha was once at the beach when the casino was closing and I was locking up profit while everyone else was gambling trying to make back some of their losses…

[SuuPRlim]

why would we EVER fold AA** in a deep stacked cash game? I'm 100% on board with limping/calling a raise and getting in a 5way pot cheaply and try to cooler someone, folding isn't lower variance it's just straight up crazy! (imo)

AA ( wether it's AAJ9ds, or AA92r) are powerful cards to have.  You're never going to be set-over-setted with AA which is the worst spot for PLO, and if there is a set-over-set coup then you're always on the right side of it

Usually though, the aggressive option is the best.

[Rod]

Thanks for the feedback on this guys. Always impressed by the level of knowledge on here, just felt bad to 4-bet but I see why I had that wrong did not consider the range of UTG raiser enough.

[SuuPRlim]

iPoker - €10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

UTG: 180.79 BB (VPIP: 49.30, PFR: 18.31, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
Hero (MP): 151.4 BB
CO: 82.05 BB (VPIP: 38.65, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 10.95, Hands: 10,900)
BTN: 132.6 BB (VPIP: 31.99, PFR: 23.50, 3Bet Preflop: 9.57, Hands: 9,398)
SB: 132.6 BB (VPIP: 28.02, PFR: 20.46, 3Bet Preflop: 7.59, Hands: 3,316)
BB: 32.6 BB (VPIP: 36.41, PFR: 23.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.65, Hands: 2,915)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has    
UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, CO calls 4.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 3.5 BB, UTG calls 3.5 BB

Flop : (18.5 BB, 4 players)
BB bets 18.5 BB, fold, Hero fold, CO raises to 37 BB, BB calls 9.6 BB

Turn : (74.7 BB, 2 players)

River : (74.7 BB, 2 players)

CO shows (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 59%, Flop 58%, Turn 70%)
BB shows (One Pair, Sixes) (Pre 41%, Flop 42%, Turn 30%)
CO wins 74.4 BB


Sorry HH is hard to read - Just played this hand, kinda similar-ish spot....

[Rod]

Is this one played OK feels a bit spewy tbh but trying to put the above advice to use

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/6509155_5B923057DC

[strak33]

I dont know what can be spewy about it?

Looks fine.

[SuuPRlim]

Is this one played OK feels a bit spewy tbh but trying to put the above advice to use

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/6509155_5B923057DC

couldn't be any less spewy played it perfectly. Could go for a very small Cbet but only need to do that if your 4betting range is particularly wide PF and you want some bet/folds, given that you prolly have a AA exclusive 4bet range (which is defo correct in this spot PF) you don't need any other bet/size than pot (or effective pot like you did) and be all-in on every turn card.

WP.