Gutshot Straight flush draw

[Sulphur man]

We should expect more fold equity because we are committing vs player two thus should have sets, combo draws and occasionally tptk kinda hands

Personally don't think the initial raiser is folding here often enough to justify a play that looks like a draw. Are you getting this in while playing cash Pleno?.

Again seems like a high variance play V's openers strong range(not too concerned about the short stack). The pot is not even that big on the flop(others want to increase the volatility here).
Re raise on the flop is going to hurtle us towards his shove threshold.

Am I missing the whole point here. Obviously respect your opinion.

While Oxford_hrv's post is well thought out I don't like the way he has constructed villains ranges in this instance.

[muckthenuts]

OR's range isn't necessarily strong, i'd imagine he'd cbet this texture a pretty high % of the time so feel pretty confident there'll be plenty of AK-AJ/KQ/77-99 type hands which we can get to fold.  If we do get it in vs the stronger part of his range our hand is still in decent shape equity wise and we'll sometimes dominate vs worse fds.

Don't think it matters much that our hand possibly looks like a draw in an $8, plus the player behind gives us quite a lot of protection in this way.

[rfgqqabc]

Fold pre for me. With the players behind still to act and the EP raise. His hand is weighted towards being more nutty with the line he takes.
Don't like the flat pre that much. Call on the flop is not so bad as you cap the action and you are getting nice pot odd's at this point. Folding the turn to that bet as we are almost certainly behind.

But we are almost certainly behind on the flop too, so that can't be the only reason?  We must have at least 12 outs twice on that flop, even vs 2 villians, and we have 15 often.  We can't hope for a better flop.  Am definitely raising that flop sometimes, especially with the caller.  Probably raising more often than calling.  If you don't raise this draw, which draws are you raising?  Struggling to fold turn too, it is just so pretty.  It is $9, surely we get a fair few calls when we hit anyway.  If we call, there is always a chance he has 2 clubs and we hit gin too.

That isn't really relevant apart from being able to understand our opponents play and thought processes better.

I think folding pre is the best play, especially as with the caller being quite short we often face an allin on the flop which makes things tough. As played we should be very happy to raise and get it in on the flop. I think Sulpher is giving our opponent far far too much credit. We make a bunch of money versus all but the very top of our opponents range and he can be betting quite wide here. Furthermore, we can often get our opponent to stack off with hands we dominate such as 67cc KQcc etc which makes up for some of the times he does have AA/sets. His turn bet looks very strong but we virtually have the price to call here with future implied odds.

We also have a shortstack in the pot he can definitely call off dominated or with weak hands. I'd be very very happy raising the flop and getting it in here.

[SuuPRlim]

We should expect more fold equity because we are committing vs player two thus should have sets, combo draws and occasionally tptk kinda hands

yeh this is why I'm well for raising the flop, I think the PF raiser continues with a huge % of his PF range on this flop, even hands like AJ he is prolly cbetting and just going to call off vs the short stack, when we raise the flop we are 100% going to be AI vs the short stack, so like Pleno says it takes all of our light hands out of our range, limits us to only really the strongest semi-bluffs and includes hands like KT/AT that we would just flat vs the PF raiser.

if the PFR has QQ then meh w/e we have 15 outs and will still have 2k (albeit a small stack, but grindable) if we lose.

As played though I'd call the turn, think we easy getting the price + there is a chance he might have some KQ/KJ cc type hands as well.

[lucky_scrote]

Pre absolutely fine.

Flop line is passive, raise for reasons that lil dave and pleno said.

If somehow OR peels and shorty folds then jamming turn if checked to me. This can't be too bad in the big 8 where other people take awful lines like peeling flop raises then folding turns.