Poker Ace Hud or Game Time + ?

[Nem]

Which one is better?

[Div]

I prefer PokerAce HUD for the hole card flashing facility, plus it seems less resource hungry.

BUT, it costs money (though not much) and it doesn't support Tribeca sites.

So, I have both 

[totalise]

PokerAce by a mile

[GlasgowBandit]

What are they and what do they do?

[Div]

What are they and what do they do?

See screenshots here:

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=2056.15

[Sheriff Fatman]

I use both together.  GT+ for the stats and PokerAce for the hole cards.

I find that GT+ is neater and easier to configure on screen for the other features.

Sheriff

[marcro]

I use GT+ and it is very easy to install and works well with Pokertracker.

[HarlemShuffle]

Don’t you think using this software is cheating? If you exposed someone else’s whole cards in a live game you would be punished.

There are a lot of threads on this site about how bad cheating is but this one seems to go unnoticed.

[lynx5.0]

dose any these sites come for free i don't won't to pay

am scotish you see

[Sheriff Fatman]

These programs simply use the information which the site gives you anyway, via the hand histories.  All they're doing is making the process of seeing stats from Poker Tracker (which also uses the same information source) and the mucked cards (which some sites include on their hand histories) easier to see.

Anyone can get access to the same information if they want to.  These programmes just make the process easier.  I'd hardly describe that as cheating.

Hole card information is only displayed in hand histories for hands which have gone to a showdown.  Players in a live game have the same rights to see cards in this situation although its often considered bad etiquette to ask, as this implies that you have some suspicion of collusion or impropriety.  Most people are unaware of this and ask because they just want to get a line on their opponents play.

Sheriff

[Gryff]

Don’t you think using this software is cheating? If you exposed someone else’s whole cards in a live game you would be punished.

There are a lot of threads on this site about how bad cheating is but this one seems to go unnoticed.

Well, when pokerstars have the following on their website, its a little hard to consider it unfair.

Q. In general, what kind of programs are acceptable?

A.

   1. Programs (or charts) that simply tell you odds, starting hand recommendations, etc.
   2. Programs that profile your opponents, but make use of only information which you have accumulated by your own play.


Q. Why is this an issue?

A. Consider this: you are playing at a six-person table and the other five players at that table are using a shared database program. After each hand, they are able to see what cards every other player (except you) had. Do you want to play at that table?

Q. Can you give me a list of acceptable programs?

A. This is a list of programs that we are aware of and permit:

   1. GameTime+
   2. Holdem Inspector
   3. PokerAce Heads Up
   4. PokerOffice
   5. PokerTracker
   6. PokerWeapon
   7. Texas Calculatem

[matt674]

I've never used any program to aid me while i play but the information regarding players mucked cards on pokerstars is freely available just by clicking on the instant hand history and scrolling through the hand.

[HarlemShuffle]

Fair enough. Good posts.

I just thought that if you chose not to show your hand then I didn't think that people would be able to get that info without cheating. Like in a live game. If I didn't show my hand the only way the other players would be able to see it would be through cheating.

I accept your points though.

[matt674]

but some casinos have rules where you still have to show your hand at a showdown regardless of whether you have won or lost and some say you dont have to show but if your opponent requests to see your cards they have to be turned over. Different rules for different casinos and chances are its the same with online rooms as well.

Personally i always check the instant hand histories straight away on pokerstars if someone has mucked their cards in a showdown so i can guage the standard of hands he/she is willing to call down with - valuable information for later in the tournament.

[byronkincaid]

Anyone can get access to the same information if they want to.  These programmes just make the process easier.  I'd hardly describe that as cheating

I haven't used PT yet I still can't get the bloody thing to work so I'm no expert.

Someone told me yesterday that they are making a little program, I don't want to say too much about it but I understand you can analyse how your opponents play using PT I guess by spending a lot of time going through their stats and HHs and stuff. This guy is making software that will do the analysis as you are playing and make a prediction of what cards they have depending on how they are playing the hand. He is only using info that everyone can access...

I think it's pretty well known now that people have adapted SNG PT to give real time ICM calcs while they play SNGs. They are only using info that everyone...

Someone else I know who has only just started playing poker told me the other day how cool their bot is. It's making them 2 BB/100 or something at the micro limits.

I think things like PT may have started off as a cool little program to help you analyse your stats but people are expanding and tweaking it to be much more than that. Unfortunantely it's too late to do much about it now. I just hope I can make that big score before internet poker changes beyond all recogniton.