Interesting cash game hand

[WellChief]

Ok thought I'd work through this hand i've just played.  It's higher stakes than i'm used to so I'm unsure how ive played this hand out of position..

Whats your next action, bearing in mind stack sizes.  Info on players is that Player A is fairly loose aggressive, Player B is run of the mill TAG player.

Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
The Cosmic Man 8161501-23878 Holdem No Limit $10/$20
[May 31 00:39:29] : Hand Start.
[May 31 00:39:29] : Seat 1 : MisterEko has $1,480
[May 31 00:39:29] : Seat 2 : shep2k has $2,308
[May 31 00:39:29] : Seat 3 : sistabossen has $4,092
[May 31 00:39:29] : Seat 4 : jehovah has $722.50
[May 31 00:39:29] : Seat 5 : Player A has $1,200
[May 31 00:39:29] : Seat 6 : Player B has $1,498.50
[May 31 00:39:29] : arne_and is the dealer.
[May 31 00:39:29] : MisterEko posted small blind.
[May 31 00:39:31] : shep2k posted big blind.
[May 31 00:39:31] : Game [23878] started with 6 players.
[May 31 00:39:31] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[May 31 00:39:31] : Seat 1 : MisterEko has
[May 31 00:39:31] : sistabossen folded.
[May 31 00:39:35] : jehovah folded.
[May 31 00:39:38] : Player A called $20 and raised $50
[May 31 00:39:41] : Player B called $70
[May 31 00:39:42] : MisterEko called $60
[May 31 00:39:45] : shep2k folded.
[May 31 00:39:46] : Dealing flop.
[May 31 00:39:46] : Board cards [ ]
[May 31 00:39:47] : MisterEko checked.
[May 31 00:39:54] : Player A bet $205
[May 31 00:39:59] : Player B called $205

[rivered]

I'd cr@p myself, wonder why the hell I have so much money in my account, then wonder why I'm gambling on a big no limit table with a load of sharks.  I'd then close the window, withdraw all the money and go on a nice holiday!!!

Did you not fancy a reraise preflop?  Define things a bit more?  Squeeze out player 2?

[mjrevie]

Player A could be making a continuation bet with QQ's or even possibly KQ or AK, hell, online he could be doing it with 83o. What would worry me is what was Player B calling with pre-flop and again on the flop. If you can figure that one out, your wiser than me.

I wouldnt like to call in this situation. I would either raise, trying to hopefully push both of them out, but able to get away from a re-raise and maybe save yourself more money in the long-term, or fold and hope one or both of them might have you creamed.

[Royal Flush]

Min raise, its enough to ask the question!

[mjrevie]

Min raise, its enough to ask the question!

I would say just marginally above the min raise - but thats just cause i have got a major issue with the min raise. If Player B is willing to call 205 from player A, he is going to call another 205 from you, now that the pot is bigger. I would say raise to 475, knowing that if he comes back over the top of you, your way behind, if he calls, then you need to be wary of a flush draw, or maybe even the same hand as you?

[Royal Flush]

Min raise, its enough to ask the question!

I would say just marginally above the min raise - but thats just cause i have got a major issue with the min raise. If Player B is willing to call 205 from player A, he is going to call another 205 from you, now that the pot is bigger. I would say raise to 475, knowing that if he comes back over the top of you, your way behind, if he calls, then you need to be wary of a flush draw, or maybe even the same hand as you?

Unlikely he has the FD given we hold the !

If i didnt have the then it would have to be a bigger raise.

[mjrevie]

Good point, didnt pay enough attention. I would still not min raise, but i'm still scared of the board. For some reason when there is that much money at stake, TPTK doesnt seem so good.

[TightEnd]

check raise is very powerful here. Make a good reraise. Ask them the awkward question. Non nut flush draw should pass and any pair under KK should pass too. If you are up against AA or unlikely AK or a set hard luck

Why not re-raise pre flop? define your hand there and then, if you raise and are back raised then you can pass AK OOP easily IMO...at the very least you should get it HU

[jezza777]

I think the way to play this is to reraise preflop. The action then comes back to player A and he needs a big hand to call here as he has a player to act behind. Then 1st to act you have to bet out a good sized bet not the full pot neccessarily but enough so you know where you stand.

As it is you have to reraise here to find out where you are so you will be spending the same amount .Raising pre flop and betting however would giive you a higher chance of winning the pot or definately knowing where you are. You shouldn't call here. You are behind or you arn't and the sooner you find out the better. A check raise will cost you a fair bit here both in $ and stack ratio but is essential IMHO.

[Highstack]

Reraise preflop with AK?

Why???

AK is not a made hand. What happens if your opponent then pushes with JJ or QQ? Do you really want to call him and race off all your cash?

The best way to find out where you are would be to have lead out. You have hit tptk what kind of flop did you want? A check raise will cost you twice as much and you fear a big hand, then you can slow down with a check call (depending on the size of the bets) on later streets.

[WellChief]

I generally don't like to reraise with AK out of position in cash.  I basically took the worst option here I think and flat called and see what happened on the turn.  Top pair isn't generally a hand I like to lose a buy in with so I was trying to keep the pot as small as possible as I was out of position.

The turn came a 4 to pair the board.  I think I made another mistake here but what would your play be now?

[jezza777]

4 of clubs?

[WellChief]

Sorry no it wasn't a club.

[Bongo]

I generally don't like to reraise with AK out of position in cash.  I basically took the worst option here I think and flat called and see what happened on the turn.  Top pair isn't generally a hand I like to lose a buy in with so I was trying to keep the pot as small as possible as I was out of position.

I'm not sure that calling to keep the pot small works very well though. Once you call the pot has become very large (~$800) and any bet on the turn is likely to be substantial whilst you still have no idea where you are.

[TightEnd]

I agree with Bongo...you either have to have a better idea where you are pre flop or on the flop


as it stands when it comes to a paired board on the turn I still haven't a clue and think by now I am trying to get to showdown as cheaply as possible....the time for finding out has gone and the time for damage limitation is uopn you