Right Play/Wrong Play?

[GlasgowBandit]

MTT on Bet fred you can#t copy hand history so I will describe it.

Blinds 30/60 I'm UTG.

I'm deal and make it 300 to go.  Firstly I don't like Jacks and if I had been in later position I would probably have folded to any bet.  They are bogey hand.  Anyway, mt image at the table is quite tight only been involved in 1 hand when I showed the nuts.

it folds round to the SB who is also short stack and he calls. 

BB thinks for an age fbefore folding.

flop is Ah 5 X I instanntly think he has the ace and he pushed his last 320 in the middle I have a healthy stack as I had managed to quadruple up early doors.

So theres 980 in the middle 320 to call do I fold or pass??

[MrDigital]

Mmmm Difficult question Fold or Pass??

Personally your raise of 5 x BB is a little strong especially with the fact you dont like the hand plus you're in ep so to some it looks like a raise that doesn't want calling.  If SB is going to call he may as well push imo, however, he might have noted your tight image and decided to just push regardless of the flop and pass a little doubt over to you, especially if an Ace flops and you have anything up to KK. 

The doubt is already there for you though  'They are a bogey hand' is your statement and psychologically they are beat before they are played.  The flop is Ah 5 X and you instantly think he has the ace... If the flop had been kh 5 X how would you feel then, i think you need to ask yourself.  Obviously i'm not ruling out the Ace it is a very likely possibility I just think you possibly need to address your emotional relationship with pocket J's...

To answer your question fold or pass - I would probably call...

GL

[MrDigital]

BTW from an odds perspective it's a lot easier to pass if you raise 3 x BB as you are less committed to the pot when someone with a relatively shortstack calls.  His call basically committed you both to the pot...

[clayftknight]

he calls half of his chips preflop, he is in on the flop no matter what, and if you are not thinking the same based on his stack size, then you are making his play profitable.
If you fold here they will run you out of town if they are paying attention.

[thetank]

Ja, you're commited to call here.

[TheWhisper]

Deffo Call

He was sticking his chips in whatever hit the flop.

I put my money on a mid pair

[SupaMonkey]

If you call surely it's a crying call. I can understand the reasons for calling but what are you ahead of here?

[Wardonkey]

You have to call.

There is nothing wrong with the healthy raise pre-flop.

[The_nun]

I would call..but I too dislike J's so not too sure if I would have put that raise in pre..

[londonpokergirl]

if he is the only remaining player and hes all in, you're getting 3-1 to call

so call, and then hit your jack on river

[KeithyB]

Bandit,

I think you're right to be concerned about how you play Jacks.  You say you would fold them in later position to any bet, yet here you are raising up 5xBB in early position with them. That seems a little inconsistent really.

As stated previously 3xBB will likely get you the same answer as the larger bet i.e. a call     Difference being you can get away easier should you get reraised or if an  comes on the flop.

Also to most players 3xBB looks like you have a stronger hand than if you bet bigger from early position.

However now that you've got this far I think that you have to call for the following reasons:-

1. Short stack is always going to stick his last 320 in whatever the flop
2. It's only 320 to call and you have the stack to afford it
3. If you fold here the value of the damage to your table image will be worth more 320 chips.

[Bazzaboy]

If you call surely it's a crying call. I can understand the reasons for calling but what are you ahead of here?

Its a standard call.  Other guy has put half his stack in preflop, he is pumping the rest in regardless.  I'd be more worried he had me beat if he had checked

[bundle]

You might be getting 3/1, but if you put him on the ace then you’re a little more than a 9/1 dog to improve. So the 3/1 doesn’t come into it here. It’s Does he have it or not, only 1 way to find out now.

Stick em in

Personally with Jacks in EP I’m going to limp call, or limp fold at this early stage

[SupaMonkey]

GlasgowBandit, you have a large stack, it's early and he has nothing back so i would call here. I would think i'm behind but i would be curious.

I fundamentally disagree with altering your play to create a table image and Bob Ciaffone says as much in his book 'Improve Your Poker' (good book by the way). If you were to fold here you know that people would try running over you. Great, next time you can call/raise here because the oppo's hand range will be wider.

Just my opinion, i don't think it will sit well with others though.

[GlasgowBandit]

Thanks for the opinions guys.

I agree with most about the short stack chucking them in no matter what the flop was after he had ca;;ed the pre flop raise. 

Anyway I called he had A 5 .

I should have got rif of the Jacks I hate the damn hand!!!