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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2006, 05:54:06 PM »


I should have got rif of the Jacks I hate the damn hand!!!

Why should you have got rid of them?
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2006, 12:13:19 AM »


I should have got rif of the Jacks I hate the damn hand!!!

Why should you have got rid of them?

Because they're a boget hand!  Cheesy

I don't ever think I have wonw hen I have had pocket Jacks.
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2006, 12:36:50 AM »

No No No m8, take JJ against a short stack a5 ALL day
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2006, 12:41:07 AM »


I should have got rif of the Jacks I hate the damn hand!!!

Why should you have got rid of them?

Because they're a boget hand!  Cheesy

I don't ever think I have wonw hen I have had pocket Jacks.

I think you should remove ur emotion from your play, you may find playing JJ with a clear head improves your game
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2006, 12:02:37 PM »

MTT on Bet fred you can#t copy hand history so I will describe it.

Blinds 30/60 I'm UTG.

I'm deal and make it 300 to go.  Firstly I don't like Jacks and if I had been in later position I would probably have folded to any bet.  They are bogey hand.  Anyway, mt image at the table is quite tight only been involved in 1 hand when I showed the nuts.

it folds round to the SB who is also short stack and he calls. 

BB thinks for an age fbefore folding.

flop is Ah 5 X I instanntly think he has the ace and he pushed his last 320 in the middle I have a healthy stack as I had managed to quadruple up early doors.

So theres 980 in the middle 320 to call do I fold or pass??

1) There isn't a hand in the game that you would rather play in ep than lp.
2) It's a pass.

I am calling depending on how often I think my read of my opponent is right and for 320 into 980 its a standard call, but what I don't ever get with these questions is how you can call when you believe that he has an ace.

If you genuinely believe that then you can not put in one more chip than the chance that your hand would improve beyond his. In this instance you are approx 10/1 to hit your 2 outer from the flop so the maximum you should pay is 98 chips.

Your opponents play with A5 out of position and his stack amuses me. Praise the lord for these folk.
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2006, 12:39:26 PM »

My question to the original poster HS was how would he feel if the board came K 5 X would he then automatically put the player on a King ...

If he does then it's not down to anything other than the negative perception of 'Pocket Jacks' rather than a read on your opponent, and in the long term you are creating a self styled massive -EV with this thinking.
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2006, 03:02:28 PM »

My question to the original poster HS was how would he feel if the board came K 5 X would he then automatically put the player on a King ...

If he does then it's not down to anything other than the negative perception of 'Pocket Jacks' rather than a read on your opponent, and in the long term you are creating a self styled massive -EV with this thinking.

If the board came K 5 X I wouldn't have hesitated in putting the chips in.  I never took it into consideration that he was playing a King.  My instincs where he limped with a weak ace and hoped to pair it.  I never expected him to have the two pair though. 

I knew as soon as he called pre flop he was lumping it in after the flop no matter what he had. 

My dislike of jacks is well served in that I cans eriouslys ay no matter how I play them they always seem to haunt me.  What I have noticed though is osme times I try and be cute with them and limp in looking for a low flop hoping to get more value.  Since posting this thread I have beend ealt Jacks 4 x and not lost a hand with them.  I have been limping in early position and making it expensive to play in late position if - and this seems to be working for me just now.

Yesterday for example I am dealt JJ on the buttongUTG raise  4 x bb and we have another two callers and I make a pot size raise, I have nearly 3x as much chips as anyone else at the table so I washoping that I would get away with this and force all 3 off the hand UTG called and the other two players fold. 

Theres just short of 2k in chips in the middle flop comes with the J 7 9 then theres a bit of speach play from him in the text box saying he has made a set and he pushed the rest of his chips in.  I let the timer practically time out before calling and all the time he's typing away rapid:

Calll
Calll
Calll

 Cheesy  Sweet I'm thinking I thought maybe he did have a set but I had the an overset.  The muppet shows A 9  Cheesy


I think much of my thinking on the original post came down to instinct.  Gut feeling is a wonderful thing and when your right its great when your wrong its not so great.  I reckon I should go on my instinct more often than not its usually good.

I also agree with some of the posts about my negativity towards Jacks - but this has cost me dearly before and until I win more often with them and get confidence from playing them I am still going to think they are a bogey hand.

Which takes me to my next thread.
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2006, 03:25:36 PM »

My dislike of jacks is well served in that I cans eriouslys ay no matter how I play them they always seem to haunt me.  What I have noticed though is osme times I try and be cute with them and limp in looking for a low flop hoping to get more value.  Since posting this thread I have beend ealt Jacks 4 x and not lost a hand with them.  I have been limping in early position and making it expensive to play in late position if - and this seems to be working for me just now.

Jacks are a good hand, but if they are genuinely a concern for you and are showing a losss in your stats, then it would be wise to treat them like a smaller pair. Play them passively and try to hit sets. If you miss then you can get out cheaply.
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