ABE, Anyone but England?

[bolt pp]

I'm not sure it was entierly flamming and i dont think that you should ascribe the disscontinuation of the thread to gryffs post.

I think that it was digressive in its sentiment but in a non mallicious way.

This as been a great thread for me to just sit back and read, cant you just crack on.

Really, its the opitome of blonde, such a diverse collection of opinions articulated with concise insight.

from the most veerment of argued points to the less intricate of contentions ive read with an understated ebulliance.

keep it going lads

[Robert HM]

but be nice x

[Gryff]

Really there is no justification of an ABE mentality without prejudice and dislike ( well, we know I mean hatred but I'm being nice here ), therefore anyone disagreeing with the ABEs are flaming - how can we have any "discussion" with that kind of setting...

It doesn't so why is it here?

My prior post was just having some fun because there really cant be any serious discussion within the context of this topic.

Sorry, bowing out of this thread here, continue the "discussion" by all means though.

[thetank]

It is nearly impossible to debate with those that deal in absolutes.

[The Baron]

Really there is no justification of an ABE mentality without prejudice and dislike ( well, we know I mean hatred but I'm being nice here ), therefore anyone disagreeing with the ABEs are flaming - how can we have any "discussion" with that kind of setting...

It doesn't so why is it here?

My prior post was just having some fun because there really cant be any serious discussion within the context of this topic.

Sorry, bowing out of this thread here, continue the "discussion" by all means though.

I think Tank has pointed out that you can have an ABE mentality without being hateful in his earlier post about the ashes and the rugby world cup. Made sense to me.

The discusiion was going on just fine up until now - so this thread has a good reason to be here. I for one, am tryng to understand the mentality behind this ABE thinking.

"My prior post was just having some fun because there really cant be any serious discussion within the context of this topic."

I do believe your post was in jest Gryff but I disagree. I think there already has been some good "serious" discussion in this thread.

[Nem]

It is nearly impossible to debate with those that deal in absolutes.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes...

[The Baron]

It is nearly impossible to debate with those that deal in absolutes.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes...

Indeed Obi-Wan.

[bolt pp]

you keep using the word "hate" gryff.

Why do you think that to adopt the abe philosiphy you have to hate england.

[MrMoves]

I'm going to sit out of this, rather surprising, debate.

Sorry to have stirred up trouble  0:-)

[TightEnd]

I am enjoying the debate, and am glad we have guys who self police it when it looks like going down wrong alleys.

Why is it surprising? blonde has some bright posters capable of making intricate points well. I applaud the attempt at pulling off this debate.

[thetank]

I'm going to sit out of this, rather surprising, debate.

Sorry to have stirred up trouble  0:-)

Not really, trouble, twas a good debate by most accounts.

No need to apologise today. 

[lazaroonie]

I dont hate england. I dont hate english people. I dont hate anyone for being english. But I am most definitely one of the "anyone but england" brigade....because

- I hate the way that every match, every corner, every throw in, in every major championship has to revolve around the 23 man squad representing the St George's Cross. Listen to it - we could be watching Outer Mongolia playing Greenland at table tennis and the commontators will still end up talking about David Beckham and Co.

- I hate the constant references to ancient battles, which personalise every match the english team play. I saw some moron in the square in frankfurt with an inflatable spitfire. I mean, I must have been taught a different version of history at school, but the Allied forces consisted of a bit more than a few chaps from the home counties. Let's blitz fritz indeed.

- I hate the lack of grace which the media show whenever things dont quite go the way they should. Its always someone else's fault, not theirs, for building up the hopes of a nation when deep in their heart of hearts they knew the team wasnt quite good enough, but big headlines sell big papers.

- I hate the morons who for the past 30 years have tarnished the reputation of british football supporters throughout the world because they havent got the brains they were born with. It maybe a minority, but its a big enough minority to make front pages and lead items throught the civilized world.

I could go on, but I'm sure you get the picture.Speaking personally, I think it would be great if at World Cup time, we could lend our support to the three lions, but that is still a long way off.

[jammer]

Most of the things you describe there laz are down to the bloody media and there incessant crap. (The xenophobia in rags like the sun for example is ridiculous. )

Thing is most of us below the border hate the media too, their london-bias and their jingoistic, pseudo-patriotic crap. The incessant ranting about rooney for instance has been beyond the pail. I hates em - they don't give a monkey's about any home nations doing well, they just wanna make dosh and the team be damned.

In fact nevermind just the football, the tabloids do more damage to scottish and english relations and then anything else I can think of, and i hope noone buys their "we're just reflecting the nations mood" rubbish.

[TightEnd]

I dont hate england. I dont hate english people. I dont hate anyone for being english. But I am most definitely one of the "anyone but england" brigade....because

- I hate the way that every match, every corner, every throw in, in every major championship has to revolve around the 23 man squad representing the St George's Cross. Listen to it - we could be watching Outer Mongolia playing Greenland at table tennis and the commontators will still end up talking about David Beckham and Co.

- I hate the constant references to ancient battles, which personalise every match the english team play. I saw some moron in the square in frankfurt with an inflatable spitfire. I mean, I must have been taught a different version of history at school, but the Allied forces consisted of a bit more than a few chaps from the home counties. Let's blitz fritz indeed.

- I hate the lack of grace which the media show whenever things dont quite go the way they should. Its always someone else's fault, not theirs, for building up the hopes of a nation when deep in their heart of hearts they knew the team wasnt quite good enough, but big headlines sell big papers.

- I hate the morons who for the past 30 years have tarnished the reputation of british football supporters throughout the world because they havent got the brains they were born with. It maybe a minority, but its a big enough minority to make front pages and lead items throught the civilized world.

I could go on, but I'm sure you get the picture.Speaking personally, I think it would be great if at World Cup time, we could lend our support to the three lions, but that is still a long way off.

This is surely ludicrous...to hold these convictions against the English largely because of the antics of the tabloid press and some uneducated supporter morons is like me saying "I want Scottish teams to lose because Mel Gibson made a very pro Scottish film in which he painted his face blue and white and shouted in a mock Scottish voice and pretended to murder English people"

I'll support the Scots at anything including Elephant Polo as long as they are not playing England.

I ignored Mel Gibson. I suggest you ignore the media if it distorts your normally sensible view that much.

[Colchester Kev]

Interesting thread... but however you dress it up, it really is a football thing, I personally love it when Scotland lose and I fully appreciate the Scottish boys revelling in an England defeat.

We dont want to kick 7 bells out of each other, we just like to have a chirp or give a rub down when the results go the way we want them too.

It is the same for @rse & Spurs fans, we work together, play together,drink together.... but will never want each others team to win anything. Its just the way it is.

I cant wait for Scotland to qualify for a major championship, since they stopped making any more "only fools and horses" we need another bloody good comedy on tv