APA

[dik9]

I am one of the frustrated ones, I have so far been told that this will be the association that I will inevitably, have to have their "endorsement" ,to hold a decent competition. I can't play and soooo want something like this to succeed for the industry, I would like to join, but all i see is the opportunity to play a very decent added value comp. This is all about the tour!! If it was purely an association, we would now be somewhere forward, even just a little bit as we would be debating different things. As it is, all that has been talked about is the Tour

" The Association
The Association aspires to represent the interests of all non professional players in the UK. The APAT will engage government and industry bodies to enhance the player experience; with standardisation of rules, player friendly structures and the provision of a clear communication channel for player feedback at the top of our agenda.

In addition, the APAT will seek to negotiate commercial sponsorship agreements to bring significant additional prize value to the game, for the benefit of our Members. "


The rules aren't even finished?

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"Tables will be broken in a posted order / manner and available to all players, however; due to certain circumstances." ....................

due to certain circumstances what??

The more i read about the tour, the more wound up i get! Absolutely no doubt that the added prize/s are 100% fantastic, but there are some more important issues going on in the cardroom world that will completely screw players and some have been touched on lightly in a different thread. i.e. no cap on fees that can be charged to tournament players BY THE HOUR (not just the once) For example £20 freezeout can now cost you £20 + £2 and on top of that it could cost you £5 an hour per person that remains in the comp!! I originally thought it was a one off fee but have been told differently (and i was opposed to the one off fee for casino's). Have you got the outs to discuss this with "government and industry bodies" and what are your members views? This does not affect just amateurs either?

The example is slightly extreme but IS allowed, it "could" happen, it is already creeping in. Poker will be pushed further underground again if it does though.
Your thoughts apaT.....

I will address this, & ifm's similar question, tomorrow, time permitting.

Your question earlier today was noted, but it has been, understandably, a little busy this last 24 hours. Bear with us please.

No problems sir, I understand that i am being a pain, but i am pulling my hair out with frustration, but understand that you would like to get this event over first. Can we have a decent debate after Aspers event entries are sorted please?

You can have the debate any time you wish Rich, & we have, if you recall, asked you to meet with us to discuss APAT. But right now, this very 24 hours, is not the best time. The picture you paint of our Association's progress is a little unfair in my opinion, so yes, we ought to talk so we can correct the misunderstandings (in my opinion) you appear to have.

I am afraid at the present moment, I cannot meet in London to have a discussion, after a threat from an unrelated old post on Blonde, but all i am after is an assurance that, at least, there is some progression with the Association side, rather than the tour side. Before you answer can i assure you that my plans have all been frozen as i think it would be harmful to the industry to have 2 associations in this country, as the rules problem would start again, ala TDA/IPF etc. So I would much prefer that you made the go at this, as you have already launched. I do see problems however with "sponsors" who are competitors with the people who you need to be liasing with, please prove me wrong.......

[Newmanseye]

I'm off to warm the popcorn and chill the beer.

[TightEnd]

comment from other thread by tikay, Nov 3rd

"As to the question(s) about the Association, which dik9 &, I think, ifm asked, I will try & answer these once again tomorrow. I did so on a previous APAT thread, but I can't find it now. Bear with me, it was an "open" question, & thus, by necessity, & to keep the answer in context, the reply will be extremely long. In the interim, be absolutely assured, our aspirations for the Association side of things remain valid, & the planning & behind-the-scenes work in this respect continues unabated"


I've sent this new thread to him as well dik9

As to the "sponsors are competitors" point, please note that PokerPlayer are sponsors of the Association. Stars sponsor the Tour. An important distinction.

[dik9]

As to the "sponsors are competitors" point, please note that PokerPlayer are sponsors of the Association. Stars sponsor the Tour. An important distinction.

So you are not highly encouraged to join Stars? And the associations biggest banner on the page is Stars? Stars ID required to gain any rankings (before payment)etc?

[TightEnd]

As to the "sponsors are competitors" point, please note that PokerPlayer are sponsors of the Association. Stars sponsor the Tour. An important distinction.

So you are not highly encouraged to join Stars? And the assciations biggest banner on the page is Stars? Stars ID required to gain any rankings (before payment)etc?

but PokerPlayer sponsor the Association!

any popcorn going spare?

[dik9]

Yeah I saw that, and understand that the tour is sponsored by Stars, but the home page for APAT has stars name all over it and the sign up for membership.

In effect they are 2 seperate entities, this is why i am asking about the association as there hasnt been an update on that since its launch

[Newmanseye]

As to the "sponsors are competitors" point, please note that PokerPlayer are sponsors of the Association. Stars sponsor the Tour. An important distinction.

So you are not highly encouraged to join Stars? And the assciations biggest banner on the page is Stars? Stars ID required to gain any rankings (before payment)etc?

but PokerPlayer sponsor the Association!

any popcorn going spare?

Be ready in 2 ticks, want a beer too?

[dik9]

Beer for me please

[Newmanseye]

£2 plus PP for beers   

[dik9]

£2 plus PP for beers   

knew there would be a fee somewhere

[TightEnd]

In effect they are 2 seperate entities, this is why i am asking about the association as there hasnt been an update on that since its launch

I know. Sorry you haven't had a response yet. It will be forthcoming though, as promised by the chairman


p.s Do you offer Magners as well as beer?

[tikay]

I have been away for 48 hours, & am in the middle of something else right now, but I will give a further Update on the Association asap.

In tne interim, yes, I can assure you that progress IS being made.

[Newmanseye]

In effect they are 2 seperate entities, this is why i am asking about the association as there hasnt been an update on that since its launch

I know. Sorry you haven't had a response yet. It will be forthcoming though, as promised by the chairman


p.s Do you offer Magners as well as beer?

Yes we offer Magners by the Pint and free ice to boot.


I think we need to get Tikay a pint as well, this way everyone will relax whilst this debate goes on.

[dik9]

Please don't think we aren't relaxed, this isn't meant to be heated, this is just an enquiry.

I understand Tony, just when you get a few moments a few bullet points would be nice, and glad to hear that it is progressing.

[Newmanseye]

I know you guys are relaxed, its when some of the others get their waders on things get a little tense and entertaining.