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Karabiner
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Is this a correct call
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December 19, 2006, 05:42:46 PM »
Fairly deep in an MTT ($20+R) with around average chips 90k, 15 players left and blinds are 3000/6000.
All pass to me in the SB, I have As
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The BB moves in and he just has me covered by a couple of thou., but I feel certain that I'm in front.
Irrespective of the outcome, is it correct to go with your gut feelings here and make the call or to wait ?
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Re: Is this a correct call
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December 19, 2006, 05:54:57 PM »
why do you feel certain you are infront?
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December 19, 2006, 06:15:34 PM »
Unsurprisngly I wait,
What is it about the BB that gives you this gut feel?
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Karabiner
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December 19, 2006, 06:18:00 PM »
Quote from: RookieITB on December 19, 2006, 05:54:57 PM
why do you feel certain you are infront?
Hard to describe exactly, I've been sitting next to him for a while and as I said it's a gut feeling that I have learned to trust.
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December 19, 2006, 06:53:32 PM »
Do you think he has a three with a worse kicker?
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Re: Is this a correct call
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December 19, 2006, 07:07:29 PM »
Quote from: Karabiner on December 19, 2006, 05:42:46 PM
Fairly deep in an MTT ($20+R) with around average chips 90k, 15 players left and blinds are 3000/6000.
All pass to me in the SB, I have As
. I make it 24k total to play.
The BB moves in and he just has me covered by a couple of thou., but I feel certain that I'm in front.
Irrespective of the outcome, is it correct to go with your gut feelings here and make the call or to wait ?
it's the three that's the problem...your kicker is likely to be dead to any Ace.
I understand the raise (though I don't like it as you'd only pick up 6k if he folds..but he is likely not to believe you anyways and you really don't want a caller) with A3 but you can't call an all-in with it.
Trusting your gut is important...but some hands you just don't want to go bust on.
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Re: Is this a correct call
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December 19, 2006, 07:13:32 PM »
Quote from: boldie on December 19, 2006, 07:07:29 PM
Trusting your gut is important...but some hands you just don't want to go bust on.
I don't want to go bust on any hand, but if I can get my chips in with the best of it then I'm satisfied that I made the right play.
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December 19, 2006, 07:57:49 PM »
Quote from: Wardonkey on December 19, 2006, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: boldie on December 19, 2006, 07:07:29 PM
Trusting your gut is important...but some hands you just don't want to go bust on.
I don't want to go bust on any hand, but if I can get my chips in with the best of it then I'm satisfied that I made the right play.
yeah of course lol but say you know you're ahead to and put him on KQ, would you call with this ace?
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Re: Is this a correct call
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Quote from: boldie on December 19, 2006, 07:57:49 PM
Quote from: Wardonkey on December 19, 2006, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: boldie on December 19, 2006, 07:07:29 PM
Trusting your gut is important...but some hands you just don't want to go bust on.
I don't want to go bust on any hand, but if I can get my chips in with the best of it then I'm satisfied that I made the right play.
yeah of course lol but say you know you're ahead to and put him on KQ, would you call with this ace?
If his cards were face up and he had KQ, then I'd call in a flash.
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December 19, 2006, 08:51:53 PM »
It's situations like these that make me always go for the limp re-raise in these spots.
If you feel you are infront then call
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December 19, 2006, 09:03:02 PM »
if u think ur ahead call. I always go with my first instinct.
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December 20, 2006, 01:19:27 AM »
As it happens I insta-called and the geezer revealed JTo which made me feel that my instincts were 100%.
But I'm still not sure if the call is correct.
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December 20, 2006, 05:12:12 PM »
The best situation you can hope for is two unpaired lower cards. Ok its his most likely holding, but why take the chance with A3? what are you beating? You are either dominated or a small favourite. Did you spend hours accumulating chips to at best race off in this spot?
You now you are stealing, you don't want to play a flop, he knows you are stealing therefore, however transpaent it looks, if you are prepared to go broke and risk all of your stack here with no hand, then you must get them in first. It is obviously a massive over-raise, but in the sb here when you steal, push all in first rather than over a quarter of your stack and they will pass all excpet a genuine hand, that had you in trouble anyway. This has the added advantage of making uncommitted stronger hands than yours (A9 down probably) pass.
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December 20, 2006, 06:54:18 PM »
Quote from: Highstack on December 20, 2006, 05:12:12 PM
The best situation you can hope for is two unpaired lower cards. Ok its his most likely holding, but why take the chance with A3? what are you beating? You are either dominated or a small favourite. Did you spend hours accumulating chips to at best race off in this spot?
He has to call 66k to win 114k and he thinks he is ahead.
I know a lot of people on blonde think they have these amazing edges where they can pass AA pre flop and all that but come on, this is an auto call if he thinks he is ahead.
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December 20, 2006, 07:09:29 PM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on December 20, 2006, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: Highstack on December 20, 2006, 05:12:12 PM
The best situation you can hope for is two unpaired lower cards. Ok its his most likely holding, but why take the chance with A3? what are you beating? You are either dominated or a small favourite. Did you spend hours accumulating chips to at best race off in this spot?
He has to call 66k to win 114k and he thinks he is ahead.
I know a lot of people on blonde think they have these amazing edges where they can pass AA pre flop and all that but come on, this is an auto call if he thinks he is ahead.
Very true flushy, but he has A3 not AA!
Sure he MIGHT be ahead, but this is not the hand to go broke on. He has asked a question and ben given an answer. I hate the initial raise, so I am not compounding the error by going broke when all I am doing is gambling and hoping. 66k is still 11bb and the blinds through, so still a very playable stack.
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