New Session Charge At Grosvenor

[Royal Flush]

Tournament Pokerists have never been as well looked after as they will be in 2007.

And the internet......added value every night....

Exactly, Poker Added Value everywhere! And still there will be those who are not happy. Sheesh, in my day, we'd have shot 'em....

Who paid for the bullets?

[Horneris]

Crapola, £3 juic for my weekly £10 freeout seems absurd. They make shitloads having 100+ more peeps there on an otherwise quiet night.

Defo think twice if it goes upto this level out of principle.

Come on Acid, don't be tight, £3's not much.

They must struggle to not lose money charging £1 juice on it at the moment, with the poker manager, valets, dealers for final tables' etc. wages to pay, and particular in the one we go to, as hardly any of the players bother with the table games.

Just get more free drinks. If you get 4 or 5 cokes, its worth loads more than £3 anyway.

[RED-DOG]

The point is, whether they are charging £1 juice for a small buy-in, or £100 for a big buy-in, their outlay is virtually the same.

[phatomch]

i disagree red when you think of a small 3 staff £300 a big comp (festival) 20 dealers £2000 staff from outside casinos  +(all need hotels, travel, overtime) we all love the big games but we have to accept the bigger charges.

[tikay]

Play a £50 comp at Grosvenor Walsall, & they give you a Free Buffet - a FULL MEAL jobbie. That alone must be worth more than the Reg Fee.

OK it's better value when we play a £50 comp than when we play a £500 comp, but on balance, I think they look after us reasonably well, value-wise.

[RED-DOG]

i disagree red when you think of a small 3 staff £300 a big comp (festival) 20 dealers £2000 staff from outside casinos  +(all need hotels, travel, overtime) we all love the big games but we have to accept the bigger charges.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying the juce at the moment is too much for the bigger buy-ins. I'm saying the smaller buy-ins lose money.

[totalise]

who cares about £5.. if you are gonna complain about such a pitiful sum of money, you should play a different game.

[RED-DOG]

who cares about £5.. if you are gonna complain about such a pitiful sum of money, you should play a different game.

IMHO there is no such thing as a pitiful sum of money, it's all relative. but then perhaps you have to have known real poverty to understand that.

If I see 1p lying in the street, I still have to pick it up.

[totalise]

who cares about £5.. if you are gonna complain about such a pitiful sum of money, you should play a different game.

IMHO there is no such thing as a pitiful sum of money, it's all relative. but then perhaps you have to have known real poverty to understand that.

If I see 1p lying in the street, I still have to pick it up.

ok, I guess it came out wrong. £5 or £10 or £20 for a game of poker is dirt cheap. Poeple complaining about such things are getting bothered about the wrong things

[tikay]

I have had a PM suggesting I am somehow "in bed" with Grosvenor.

Err.....NO, I'm not! I have no commercial tie with them whatsoever. But I DO realise that without Grosvenor, in terms of UK Tournament Poker, the scene would be much poorer.

I think we should be grateful to them, & I am not ashamed or embarrassed to say so. They don't do it for Charity, I know, but they do it, & that'll do me, its given me and many others a tremendous amount of fun at a reasonable cost (in terms of Reg Fees).

[Ironside]

i have read that to be able to charge more than 10% and a reg fee they have to make it s session fee and for a session fee you are entitled to a dealer dealt table

the the size of comps i play i am willing to pay a couple of quid extra if i am assured of a dealer dealt comp

[phatomch]

I am afraid that this point is wrong the only guideline set out by the gaming board is that a dealer and experienced supervisor must be supplied for the final table only.

[Ironside]

well if thats the case its going to lead to more clubs along the lines of gutshot and cincin setting up

if i am paying £5 session fee then i would want a dealer if not i will vote with my wheels

[tikay]

well if thats the case its going to lead to more clubs along the lines of gutshot and cincin setting up

if i am paying £5 session fee then i would want a dealer if not i will vote with my wheels

That's it Iron, you put your wheels down.

[AndrewT]

The problem it appears to me is that most of the 'new breed' of players, the ones pushing up the numbers, are not the same people who go and play table games, they come for the poker and thats it. So despite the increase in runners the increase in gaming is not proportionate.

Nail/head.

Casinos traditionally didn't mind making a loss on poker as it was used as a loss leader to get extra punters through the door - punters who would be only too glad to wander over to the table games once they'd had a few drinks inside them.

Nowadays, there is an ever increasing amount of new players who have no interest in table games whatsoever. With the current charge restrictions, casinos are not able to make any money from these people, who pay their £3 reg fee and then help themselves to the free drinks all night before going home.

These new charges are simply the casinos trying to make the poker pay for itself.