OT: Saddam Hussain

[The Camel]

I've waded in head first to the Mallu topic. So I may as well upset a few people on this one too.

Who gives anyone the right to take the life of another person?

Killing a muderer drops the state to the level of the muderer.

And anyway, life imprisonment with no chance of parole is much bigger deterent to murder than capital punishment.

[bhoywonder]

not in this country


playstations,x-boxes,xmas dinners..........


but then we dont have the death penalty

[Colchester Kev]

not in this country


playstations,x-boxes,xmas dinners..........


but then we dont have the death penalty

Good post.

[AndrewT]

And anyway, life imprisonment with no chance of parole is much bigger deterent to murder than capital punishment.

I would say there is no deterrent to murder. A person's own moral compass decides if they're comfortable with killing someone else. If they're at this level, they're beyond the point where they'll think 'Hang on, if I get caught I'll go to prison for ever - I'd better put the knife down'.

For me, the main concern with criminals is to ensure that they are not able to commit further crimes. In a world with perfect evaluation of guilt, execution fulfills this in the swiftest, cheapest way. Obviously, we don't live in a world where the guilty are all guilty, so mistakes are made, which means we can't just execute all murderers.

As for Saddam, the man clearly viewed other people as entirely disposable when compared to his own aims. Treating him in the same manner seems entirely appropriate. From a political perspective, it also draws a line under his reign and may allow the country to move on (though not any time soon).

[tantrum]

From a political perspective, it also draws a line under his reign and may allow the country to move on (though not any time soon).

Move on in which direction?

The fact that his hanging was took place on Eid al-Adha is not the smartest moves as this will anger many Muslims and will bring up the subject of Kurds who were denied the satisfaction of having a trial regarding the crimes against Iraqi Kurds, but this would lead to uncomfortable questions of USA's actions during those times, so no surprise there.

Yet again USA managed to create more reasons to be distrusted by even more people.  (I just wonder if they do it on purpose or because they are really ignorant)  - and please don't tell me that present Iraqi government is sovereign.

The whole trial of Saddam was one big joke, regardless what he has done.

Happy New Year Every1

[boldie]

I would have had no problem with any penalty he was given as long as he had a fair trial. the trial was a shambles, his lawyers didn't have access to him and they got killed way too often IMO..kindoff a problem as well...also the changing of the judges half way through not really right.

Now I know he didn't do fair trials himself but all moral high ground has been lost with this trial.

[Acidmouse]

They should has gassed the **** in the hole they found him and claimed he topped himself. It would have saved alot of time and money.

[sofa----king]

i have to be carefull here coz people will think i am with sadam,,,..but i do know personaly one of his lawyers from the old days 20 years ago,,,,he never agreed with sadams regime,,,,but he strongly said that the country was a safer place when he was in power and people knew where they were with him,,although he was crazy...the country was a lot safer ok scared but safe,,,this lawyer tells us of stories that happened 20 years ago,, he could write a book or 10,,,,.
my personal opinoion of sadam a few years ago was to kill him asap but after i have heard some stories about him,,.,.,.i still say hes better dead,,, but i think british people in genral dont know the full facts,,,,,..,.,.,to be honest guys where was the weapons of mass destruction ?? i still dont like him mind ,,but fair is fair ,.,.,,...

[Colchester Kev]

,,,,,..,.,.,to be honest guys where was the weapons of mass destruction ?? i still dont like him mind ,,but fair is fair ,.,.,,...

He,,,,,,,,,,,..used them,,,,to wipe out the Kurds,,,,,...

[sofa----king]

,,,,,..,.,.,to be honest guys where was the weapons of mass destruction ?? i still dont like him mind ,,but fair is fair ,.,.,,...

He,,,,,,,,,,,..used them,,,,to wipe out the Kurds,,,,,...

when.,, i write with ,.,these comas ,.,and stops dont you know,.,,,its a code ?/.,.or,, do i ,,.,stutter,,.,.??,.,.

[Acidmouse]

I don't think there is a need to establish if he was evil or not, plenty of stuff well documented over many years to tell you the answer. But i guess if Iran can claim the Holocaust was faked people will argue Saddam was a wuss

[tikay]

snoopy said...


".....when it comes to human life, I don't think any being on this planet has the right to play God and make a decision regarding whether someone's life will continue or not. I think it is that belief which will mean I go around in circles debating it with anyone, but I genuinely respect and follow your view......"


One assumes you exclude Murderers? Murderers can make the decision, but non-Murderers can't?

Happy New Year!

xx

[thetank]

Hang on, are you saying that standing in opposition to the death penalty means we approve of murderers.

For me, the most ludicrous argument in favour of the death penalty is that it's cheaper to execute people than punish them by other means.

I take it back, we have a new winner. 

[Wardonkey]

They should has gassed the **** in the hole they found him and claimed he topped himself. It would have saved alot of time and money.

From a purely pragmatic point of view, disposing of him 'in the the hole they found him' would have been the best option. The trail was always going to be a messy sham and Saddam was always going to get the death penalty.

[tikay]

Hang on, are you saying that standing in opposition to the death penalty means we approve of murderers.

For me, the most ludicrous argument in favour of the death penalty is that it's cheaper to execute people than punish them by other means.

I take it back, we have a new winner. 

I am saying, & I said, nothing of the sort.

But all this "we have no right to take human life" balarney makes me smile. I repeat, presumably Murderers DO have that right?