Sensation at the Sandcastle - Blackpool Disqualification!

[Dewi_cool]

We're forgetting all those festivals Tikay won where the only competition were amphibious squid like creatures from the Guiness advert.

That's no way to talk about the Welsh!

I think Guinness was spelt incorrectly

[Dewi_cool]

I knew I would stop this thread, it was a joke for FS

[kinboshi]

We're forgetting all those festivals Tikay won where the only competition were amphibious squid like creatures from the Guiness advert.

That's no way to talk about the Welsh!

I think Guinness was spelt incorrectly

Too many vowels in it for the Welsh...

[bhoywonder]

I had to leave a tourney once


and the chips were removed

i was chip leader



reason: the missus went into labour....................timing isn't her forte....chuckle

[kinboshi]

I had to leave a tourney once


and the chips were removed

i was chip leader



reason: the missus went into labour....................timing isn't her forte....chuckle

You were chip leader, she went all-in!!

At times like that, poker seems so irrelevant.

[The Camel]

Frankly I'm astonished at the decision to award Ali 9th place.

Obviously he should have been allowed to finish the tournie, but I suppose the manager who decided to ban him had no idea he was still in a comp. You can't blame the receptionists.

But, when he wasn't allowed in the casino, the only fair decision would be to leave his chips in play and let him get him anted away.

The players who refused to chop on chip counts should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

[quantify]

all a bit nice you lot, poker comaraderie is an interesting concept , everybody seems to be mates with everybody , ...................................................................


i think the answer lies in a question...

if it had been , lets say action jack,( probably the unknown on the table) who had "alledgedly" assaulted a dealer , (who had placed an official complaint about the assault )  then 2 days later got banned as he walked into bpool grosvener ,  and received subsequently received a lifetime ban pending an appeal.


what would the table have done, more to the point what would ali  have done..............would he have chopped it 9 ways ...............


i dont know alli well enough to say  , or offer my opinion on, what i think he may have done................ but i was present when a conversation took place with some of the finalist , whom based part of their decision on the fact that said peron said no (alledgly) tocreaming 1k of the top for 10 th place the previous evening.   now i wasnt there so i canT say whether this was true or not. (i will be surprise if it was true,  .) 

but i do find it very interesting how people have reacted to this......... grosvener , have rightly or wrongly got a procedure for general managers ,to act on a report of any incident involving customers, this appears to be a serious accusation .
when they take 3 days to ban somebody from all grosveners, (when they spend as much time and money as ali ) then there is a difficult decision to make COMMERCIALLY. THEY CANNOT THINK OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND WHETHER THEY MAY BE PLAYIN POKER OR BLACKJACK SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY.....THEY MADE THEIR DECISION AND SLAMMED THE DOOR SHUT, IT IS JUST EXTREMELY UNFORTUNATE TIMING FOR BOTH PARTIES.  (there are always 2 sides and i hope ali mallu gets it sorted cos he is a colourful character who is good for the game)...........



NOW TO PUT MYSELF UNDER THE SPOTLIGHT and ask myself the question,  a good pal of mine won the event,  if he had "alledgdly""  assaulted a dealer elswhere in the country and got banned and i was on the final table with him .... would i have chopped it............

now i dont just know ab through poker, ive known him a good few years so this makes the decision  more difficult.................does it hell.......

not for one minute would i consider whether to chop it ..........  if he had dropped such a big ballack then i would have called him a pratt .. he would have slipped away aggreeing with me and told me to go on and win it...........


havin said that we all have our moments of madness and it would be a terrible shame for both parties if they couldnt say sorry shake hands and give it one more go .
 I REALLY HOPE FOR ALIS SAKE THEY DO , COS THE ONE THING I DO KNOW IT WILL KILL HIM NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY THE CIRCUIT.

[hotdog]

Next Best: Get the players to agree to finish the tournament somewhere else with Ali in attendance. (A hotel room perhaps?)  Did anyone think about this as a possible solution?

i think that is such a simple soloution... if he starts its grovs mistake 4 not gettin the msg arround fast enough..they make enough money to do so.

this situation is a joke but the simple soultion is above..

personally i dnt think ppl wud of agreed to this as they might of got malueed hahahahahaha

[quantify]

THIS IS REALLLY AMAZING ME HOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEITH CAN SAY OTHERS SHOULD BE ASHAMED WHEN

A.. YOU DONT KNOW THE FULL FACTS

B. ARENT IN THEIR SHOES.


 there may have been some people on that table who were desperate to play it for their own reasons .

ie . its the first time they have made a decent final...    they may desperatly needed a payday.............

it is very unfair to cast shame on innocent people  who were just there to p;ay poker and have no relationship with ali...

whether their decision was right or wrong, to cruelly denegrate them so publicly is terrible.


even though i would hve fvoured a chop if it was unanimous

[MadYank]

Next Best: Get the players to agree to finish the tournament somewhere else with Ali in attendance. (A hotel room perhaps?)  Did anyone think about this as a possible solution?

I suggested this about 5 pages back but, alas, they don't like Yank reasoning round these here parts. 

[action man]

i was at the final table i was 5th in chips and arrived at the casino at around 2.40pm for a 3:00pm start.
when i heard the news about ali being disqualified i was upset because although i was moaning the night before about how much a pain in the arse he is to have at your table, i have known him a couple of years and he gave me a few words of wisdom bout the game when i was starting out. he is also a player you can learn a lot about playing a big stack from, and a gentlemen to boot.

I, as well as a few others were wondering what he could have done for grosvenor to barr one of the biggest blackjack punters on the circuit, and was completely miffed at the situation. Once an explanation was given to me as to why he was barred i changed my mode of thinking. (apparently he was barred on boxing day and the ban takes 72 hours to come into play 'as it were')

I for one refused the idea of a chip count because, i was not getting picked up until 8:00pm and most of all was looking forward to a good game of poker on a good final table.

The reason why ali's chips were not left on the table is because it would benefit the players on his immedieate left and right extremely and change the whole context of the game. I spoke to all the players on the final table before it was set to resume and all agreed that if ali was in our shoes he would play on as we ultimately did.  i can stress that I for one and probably all of the finalists WANTED ali to play and felt a certain injustice at his 9th place default finish.

What one must also remember is that the issue has ZERO to do with the rest of the finalists.

I conclude by saying that i disagreed to the 9 way chop because i wanted to play a game of poker, in retrospect i would have recieved more if i had agreed but thats not the point.

[quantify]

i applaud your honesty mate and therein rest my case, i think you have said it all .....................................

(lets hope it makes certain people reflect on their knee jerk reactions)


very well put . 

[MadYank]

Frankly I'm astonished at the decision to award Ali 9th place.

Obviously he should have been allowed to finish the tournie, but I suppose the manager who decided to ban him had no idea he was still in a comp. You can't blame the receptionists.

But, when he wasn't allowed in the casino, the only fair decision would be to leave his chips in play and let him get him anted away.

The players who refused to chop on chip counts should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

I'm not saying your str8 up wrong here Keith but could you answer this question for me?

I understand some have strong feelings on this subject, but before you make your decision on what was right, consider a similar situatiion in a $500 tournament somewhere in yankland. You're at the final with 8 random yanks and one isn't allowed to play because he got in an argument with whoever about whatever. Would you say "hey boys lets do the right thing and chop it up in fairness!" if they were just 8 random strangers?

[action man]

cheers, still can't believe i didn't register for the £100 rebuy in time, tell the winner i'll sort him/her £300 a pint out when i see them ;-)

[Sheriff Fatman]

In a way this decision was simplified by the fact that they'd already reached the money in the tournament.  However, I'm intrigued as to what Grosvenor would have done if this situation had arisen and the bubble hadn't been reached.

By removing Ali's chips from the tournament they're effectively saying he's no longer a participant in the event.  Also, he's been disqualified for something unrelated to the competition in play.  He should therefore have been refunded his buy-in in these circumstances.  However, I get the feeling that, in those circumstances, Grosvenor wouldn't have done this and would have simply removed his chips and given him nothing back by way of refund.  Consequently, I think its only through chance that this decision didn't prove to be messier than it already is.

The most logical way to deal with it for me (even though I don't agree with the rule) if they were intent on not allowing Ali to complete the tournament would have been for them to leave the chips on the table and apply the 'blinded out every hand after the first orbit rule' that they use in some places for absent players.  I'm not sure if this rule is in place consistently at all Grosvenors but it would have certainly been a more equitable way to do things than to simply take the chips out of play.

Sheriff