Gutshot lose Court case Skills fight... Derek Kelly found Guilty!

[Royal Flush]

Wow, I'm really sorry to hear this, both for The Gutshot and selfishly, DTD. This has dire serious consequences for DTD if we do not get our Certficate of Consent on the 25th Jan.......I was really hoping this would not turn out like this.........damn

Rob, I don't think this will impact DTD. Gutshot was a high profile (not as high profile as DTD obviously but still) venture that was operating illegally. I think the GC wanted to make an example out of them.
I would half expect them to give you your certificate of consent because you have gone about it the legal/right way. I reckon they will feel this way to and approve your application maybe also as an example as to how it should be done as I reckon they just feel pokerclubs should follow certain rules.

I am not on the GC unfortunatly so it's just my humble opinion..and it can be discarded as easily as yesterdays paper so in the mean time I'll just be crossing my fingers for you.

It's the same thought i have had, the GC are more likely to approve IMO as a 'reward' for doing things the right way and to encourage others to go the legal route.

[Graham C]

Out of interest, why didn't Gutshot apply for a gaming licence when it first opened? 

[AndrewT]

Out of interest, why didn't Gutshot apply for a gaming licence when it first opened? 

Cost, I'd imagine.

[Wardonkey]

DTD will show whether or not a licensed 'poker only' venue is viable.

Not being able to rake pots makes it difficult to get enough revenue to be sustainable. It is also very difficult to get and keep staff if they can't take tips, without a crippling wage bill.

As Rob has no doubt discovered, gaining a license and maintaining the conditions required to keep it are tiresome and expensive.

Derek believed he could operate legally without one and was willing to test his belief a court of law. The Gaming Board and now a jury of his peers disagree.

[Royal Flush]

DTD will show whether or not a licensed 'poker only' venue is viable.

Not being able to rake pots makes it difficult to get enough revenue to be sustainable. It is also very difficult to get and keep staff if they can't take tips,

That's changing in September (i think its September), both will be allowed

[Wardonkey]

DTD will show whether or not a licensed 'poker only' venue is viable.

Not being able to rake pots makes it difficult to get enough revenue to be sustainable. It is also very difficult to get and keep staff if they can't take tips,

That's changing in September (i think its September), both will be allowed

I'd heard about the rake but not about the tips. Do you have a source?

Previously casinos have been dead set against permitting gratuities as they were of the opinion that any money that went into a tip box couldn't end up in the casino's coffers. I've always believed this is to be very shortsighted.

When your trying to run a 19 table pit with 14 staff and the place is heaving then it's not hard to see that the extra staff will bring in far money then would go into the tip boxes.

[ifm]

Nobody has touched upon the skill v luck argument yet, had Derek won would that not have opened the way for tax to be levvied on winnings? as it would not be gambling any longer?

T minus 50mins............

[Swordpoker]

Nobody has touched upon the skill v luck argument yet, had Derek won would that not have opened the way for tax to be levvied on winnings? as it would not be gambling any longer?

T minus 50mins............

Very good point. I much prefer not being taxed.

[Wardonkey]

A tax on poker winnings would cost more to collect than any revenue.


Could losers claim the tax back on their losses?

[tikay]

I am given to understand that we will be permitted to tip dealers in licensed venues after September.

[I KNOW IT]

I am given to understand that we will be permitted to tip dealers in licensed venues after September.

If thats true, its a great move forward

[byronkincaid]

Nobody has touched upon the skill v luck argument yet, had Derek won would that not have opened the way for tax to be levvied on winnings? as it would not be gambling any longer?

T minus 50mins............

If we play golf and have a bet on it there's no tax to pay, if we play chess and have a wager, no tax. Even if we do some brain surgery and have a flutter on who's patient will come out best there still ain't nothing to pay to Gordon the Moron.

What has skill in poker got to do with tax?

[tikay]

Nobody has touched upon the skill v luck argument yet, had Derek won would that not have opened the way for tax to be levvied on winnings? as it would not be gambling any longer?

T minus 50mins............

If we play golf and have a bet on it there's no tax to pay, if we play chess and have a wager, no tax. Even if we do some brain surgery and have a flutter on who's patient will come out best there still ain't nothing to pay to Gordon the Moron.

What has skill in poker got to do with tax?

I have absolutely no idea, but numerous Posters on numerous Fora have all made the same linkage.

Poker wiinngs will NEVER be taxed, well not in my lifetime. Think "how?" (remembering that you'd have to be allowed to deduct losses) & you have your answer.

[danafish]

I like Derek, he plays the banjo.    No, really, he actually does. I hope he doesn't go to jail.

[NoflopsHomer]

I like Derek, he plays the banjo.    No, really, he actually does. I hope he doesn't go to jail.

The judge has already said he won't go to jail. He will be fined though.