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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2007, 09:45:34 PM »

With no other info on opponent- call turn bet, and call river bet.

Players will often check a flopped monster after raising pre-flop. When an opponent fails to put in a continuation bet and then shows strength on the turn, which was very unlikely to have helped them, you have to be very wary. There is a good chance he has a set of aces here, and if not then he's not calling an all-in unless he has AJ (unlikely) or lower set (unlikely as he should have bet flop) or T9 (possible hand as he raised from button.)








This seems truely bizarre logic, why is top set checked and 2nd or 3rd set bet? I really do not get this!



Because top set in this instance would be a set of aces, and you will rarely get action from your continuation bet.

Whereas middle and bottom set will get action from anyone with an Ace, and you want to build the pot as early as possible.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2007, 10:03:15 PM »

I don't think you did play it badly. If you push on the turn you're going to win the pot of course, but you won't be getting any more out of him.

If he's bluffing (which he was) he has a very slim chance to outdraw you (and could just have easily have been drawing dead.) If you know he's a reckless player who loves to bluff then the small risk of letting him hit is probably out-weighed by the chances of him bluffing again on the river with nothing.

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2007, 10:11:19 PM »

What hand will give AA action on the turn that wont give action on an A78 flop, my guess would be a str8 draw that completes, surely thats not a good thing!
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2007, 10:42:29 PM »

What hand will give AA action on the turn that wont give action on an A78 flop, my guess would be a str8 draw that completes, surely thats not a good thing!

I'm not sure if your question is in response to my posting or not, but if it is I don't see the relevance.

(To answer your question though, surely a stright draw would give action to AA on this flop- unless the price is too high.)

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2007, 10:47:49 PM »

Thats my point if you bet 77/88 here surely you bet AA aswell? Slow-playing a set of aces here means you only get action when you are beat (when the str8 completes) betting the flop surely swells the pot so you get draws putting money in.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2007, 11:32:35 PM »

Thats my point if you bet 77/88 here surely you bet AA aswell? Slow-playing a set of aces here means you only get action when you are beat (when the str8 completes) betting the flop surely swells the pot so you get draws putting money in.


Yes, I would bet it. My comment was "Players will often check a flopped monster after raising pre-flop." That is, a lot of players would check a set of aces here whereas they would bet middle/bottom set.
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2007, 11:34:19 PM »

Sounds odd that they would slowplay the nuts but not the 2nd or 3rd nuts but i will take your word for it.
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2007, 11:53:31 PM »

Sounds odd that they would slowplay the nuts but not the 2nd or 3rd nuts but i will take your word for it.


Well, as I mentioned, there generally aren't many hands that will call a continuation bet on a A87 flop when you're holding AA. Whereas it's far more likely that an Ace has called your pre-flop raise when you're not holding 2 of them, and therefore middle/bottom set are likely to get action when they bet.
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2007, 01:30:52 PM »

Agree, U gotta re-pop preflop IMO, unless you have extensive notes saying that the player is an absolute rock, so the button raise is irrelevant.

Even flat calling pre-flop, Once you see the turn card, no offence to 0.5/$1 players but im sure its profitable gettin your $$ in right there and then, you will get called with a lot of weaker holdings and the odd occaison they may have the stright, but you got outs, and if he has AA, tip your hat n re-load, unless u hit your 1 outer, lol
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