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[M3boy]

PROBLEM: we live in a society where there are to many "do-gooders"

"these people (abusers/sexual/physical against children) are sick they need our help!!!!! BOLLOX

They need putting up against a wall and SHOT. end of!!!!!!

Put the money WASTED on looking after them to better use.

The voice of common sense.

Terminally ill Cancer patients are a massive drain on the resources of the NHS, why don't we just shoot them as well?

HTF can you compare someone who is suffering with Cancer, to a child abuser?!?!

Jesus James, think before you post sometimes!!

[taximan007]

PROBLEM: we live in a society where there are to many "do-gooders"

"these people (abusers/sexual/physical against children) are sick they need our help!!!!! BOLLOX

They need putting up against a wall and SHOT. end of!!!!!!

Put the money WASTED on looking after them to better use.

The voice of common sense.

Terminally ill Cancer patients are a massive drain on the resources of the NHS, why don't we just shoot them as well?

I think that is in very poor taste. I didnt say shoot them to save money, i say get them out of society for the "crimes they have comiitted"

[Newmanseye]

PROBLEM: we live in a society where there are to many "do-gooders"

"these people (abusers/sexual/physical against children) are sick they need our help!!!!! BOLLOX

They need putting up against a wall and SHOT. end of!!!!!!

Put the money WASTED on looking after them to better use.

The voice of common sense.

Terminally ill Cancer patients are a massive drain on the resources of the NHS, why don't we just shoot them as well?

having a mother who was terminally with cancer and being treated by the nhs, i take great offence to your comment and am sick you would try to compare this to the fecking sick stuff we are reading on here. you may have meant this as a comparison or whatever but i reckon its bang out of order

Ok WAIT A Moment!!!

James was being the voice of reason, and I for one happen to appreciate his point, I lost a member of my family on Monday to cancer and I took no offence because James was only saying that people are advocating MURDER !!

If anyone needs to think before they post it should be Taximan, No offence but no matter what happens, MURDER is never a fair and just solution!

So Red, Mad  et al please remember this is a forum where points of view can be shared !

[M3boy]

I take your point Newmanseye, I do not think James was being "out of order" on purpose, I just found it the wrong choice of words.

Capital punishment was suggested on here, and people have their views on this.

Something has to be done though as our system just does not work.

Yes, Capital punishment would NOT act as a deterrent, as we see in America, but it WOULD put a stop to that person re-offending.

[taximan007]

Maybe i didnt put my point clearly enough (my apologies) when i said shoot them, i meant in a system where they have stood trial and been found guilty, without doubt, maybe i should have said hanging (capital punishment):

I DEFY anybody who has suffered or had loved ones suffer at the hands of these people to think any differently.

I apologise again unreservedly if i offended anybody with my comments.

[madasahatstand]

PROBLEM: we live in a society where there are to many "do-gooders"

"these people (abusers/sexual/physical against children) are sick they need our help!!!!! BOLLOX

They need putting up against a wall and SHOT. end of!!!!!!

Put the money WASTED on looking after them to better use.

The voice of common sense.

Terminally ill Cancer patients are a massive drain on the resources of the NHS, why don't we just shoot them as well?

having a mother who was terminally with cancer and being treated by the nhs, i take great offence to your comment and am sick you would try to compare this to the fecking sick stuff we are reading on here. you may have meant this as a comparison or whatever but i reckon its bang out of order

Ok WAIT A Moment!!!

James was being the voice of reason, and I for one happen to appreciate his point, I lost a member of my family on Monday to cancer and I took no offence because James was only saying that people are advocating MURDER !!

If anyone needs to think before they post it should be Taximan, No offence but no matter what happens, MURDER is never a fair and just solution!

So Red, Mad  et al please remember this is a forum where points of view can be shared !

Billy

i take offence full stop!!  you deal with it another way

[Royal Flush]

This is why i shouldn't post in the morning, i am sorry to anyone who took offence to what i said. I was trying to make a point, which i could have done a lot differently!

I would much rather people were crying out for research into rehabilitation rather than just killing offenders. Capital punishment was cited in this thread as something that would assist with overcrowding in prisons! I don't even think the person was joking.

If we could find more effective ways of rehabilitating sex offenders and drug users the world would be a much better place.

[taximan007]

Somebody who defiles a child does not deserve a chance to be rehabilitated.

Thats just my opinion.

[madasahatstand]

This is why i shouldn't post in the morning, i am sorry to anyone who took offence to what i said. I was trying to make a point, which i could have done a lot differently!

I would much rather people were crying out for research into rehabilitation rather than just killing offenders. Capital punishment was cited in this thread as something that would assist with overcrowding in prisons! I don't even think the person was joking.

If we could find more effective ways of rehabilitating sex offenders and drug users the world would be a much better place.

there is an easy way to rehabilitate the problem of drugs in our society. abolish poverty and social exclusion. sex offenders are a completely different kettle of fish. for a start most of them will never admit its a problem and most dont take responsibility for their sick behaviours. again lumping drug users and sex offenders together stinks. not as much as comparing people who are dying with sickos though

[dealerFROMhell]

There's also the argument that some people that harbour a sexual preference for children are mentally ill, and therefore are not responsible for their actions. Amnesty International have written extensively on the topic.

It's along the same lines as an insanity plea in America for convicted killers in states which have the death penalty.

You're either for capital punishment or you're not. There's no middle ground.

I still haven't made my mind up on it....

[madasahatstand]

There's also the argument that some people that harbour a sexual preference for children are mentally ill, and therefore are not responsible for their actions. Amnesty International have written extensively on the topic.

I completely disagree that perpetrators of sexual abuse on children have an illness. i used to think it as its one way to understand or try to come to terms with someting that is so difficult. having done training in psychaitry/mental health, i know this is about control and not mental illness. other schools may disagree but there is evidence to say this is not an illness. the biggest connection research has made is that a very high percentage of perpetrators have been abused themselves as children. Its a psycholocial problem, not psychiatric in my opinion.

[johnlarsson]

Somebody who defiles a child does not deserve a chance to be rehabilitated.

Thats just my opinion.

agreed

[RichEO]

Somebody who defiles a child does not deserve a chance to be rehabilitated.

Thats just my opinion.

Fact of the matter is, most sex offenders who go to prison will be released. Do we want them to come out as they went it, or possibly more sick and twisted? I'd hope they get all the help they need and aren't release until they are safe to do so and not just when their time is served.

If they get abused whilst in prison and get what they deserve as a few of you put it then I doubt this is going to deter them from being a sexual predator, they are likely to come out even worse. Whatever happens to them insdie I fear will only help in creating a monster.

Continuing on that theme, I don't think you can incarcerate anyone and not protect them. If the sentence isn't harsh enough for you, then it should be lengthened not enforced by inmates. If abuse is allowed or condoned in some instances, it can only spread.

Possibly unpopular views, protect and provide help for a sex offender. But when he is back out and on the streets in 3 years, I think it has to be.



I like the idea of a donation to the family. But it might be too difficult without an intermediary who knows them. If there is anyone who knows them or their extended family, maybe run the proposal by them for permisson. There may have been a local collection already, we could just add to this if there had been.

[taximan007]

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

[dealerFROMhell]

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

Pathetic publications such as The News Of The World and The Sun (with fascist, right-wing, self serving, mouthpieces like John Gaunt and Richard Littlejohn at their disposal) have seen to it that Joe Public thinks it's his god given right to reign fire and brimstone down upon whosoever should infringe on his or hers "civil liberties".

Society was founded upon the notion that a delegated authority would enforce laws and administer punishment. The fact that a sex offender (wether they be paedophillic, or not) lives within a certain radius of someone, is, frankly, none of their business. If they have served their debt to society, then there is no other option but to live and let live.

If you disagree with me, then think upon this. Where does the buck stop? What kind of comparisons can you draw?Should all female members of the community be informed whenever a convicted rapist moves within a certain radius? And if not, are you putting the "value" of a womans life above that of a childs? That defies basic theological and social notions of the equality and sanctity of life.

It is not the publics duty to pass summary judgment onto an individual, for any reason, whatever the crime may be.

Now if you're talking about the individual working with children, then that's a different matter. The most basic form of rehabilitation is one of denial. It goes without saying that it's not in the publics interests to let them work in a situtation where they may spend any amount of time un-supervised with a minor.