MikkyT - We get the truth from the BBC

[The Dundonian]

What's really sad about this whole thing is that such a large percentage of child sex offenders were actually the victims of these self same crimes themselves. Such a tragic vicious circle it breaks my fucking heart.

[vinni]

What's really sad about this whole thing is that such a large percentage of child sex offenders were actually the victims of these self same crimes themselves. Such a tragic vicious circle it breaks my fucking heart.

yes but surely at his age he knows its wrong .

all i can say is bring back hanging for the sick fecker .

[Eyeofsauron]

One thing which annoys me, which I'm surprised no-one else has brought up, is how a certain UK poker magazine still portrays a certain well-known American hustler as some type of poker "hero", despite that fact he was caught molesting his own grandaughter and getting away with it because of a legal loophole. If I'm ever unlucky enough the find myself playing at the same table during a tournament, I'm just getting up and walking away, regardless of how much money is at stake.

[I KNOW IT]

One thing which annoys me, which I'm surprised no-one else has brought up, is how a certain UK poker magazine still portrays a certain well-known American hustler as some type of poker "hero", despite that fact he was caught molesting his own grandaughter and getting away with it because of a legal loophole. If I'm ever unlucky enough the find myself playing at the same table during a tournament, I'm just getting up and walking away, regardless of how much money is at stake.

Camel started a thread on HMF about 3 years ago when he met him in a lift in las vegas and he wondered how he should have reacted.
Plenty of opinions there including mine.
Wonder how he would react now since being a father

[steeley68]

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

No, I vote we ship them to Scotland.

How the fuck can you make a joke like that?
words defy me.

I agree Dale, and you know the sad thing is, he hasn't had the decency to remove the comment.

[bolt pp]

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

No, I vote we ship them to Scotland.

How the fuck can you make a joke like that?
words defy me.

I agree Dale, and you know the sad thing is, he hasn't had the decency to remove the comment.

Firstly, maybe he hasn't removed it because it's been quoted so many times.

Secondly if that isn't the case just because someone else finds it distasteful and inappropriate that doesn't make it so, maybe he hasn't removed the comment because he doesn't agree that it's distasteful. i dont think that's a lack of decency,

[vinni]

the annoying thing about this is all the do gooders.

its sick ,they go on about the persons human rights .

what about the kids human rights ,it like the sick fecker ian huntley ,

all he goes on about is how bad hes getting treated .

what about the poor girls he killed ,those poor kids and there familys ,what must they have gone through.

as a loving father and grand father  i hate to think what these parents grandparents went through .

as for mikky t and the rest of the nonces ,i hope i never meet them ,or im banged up for a long time .

im sorry i seem so angry but this subject makes my blood boil .

as for sending them to scotland i think that is a sick joke ,castrate the barstewards.

[steeley68]

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Firstly, maybe he hasn't removed it because it's been quoted so many times.

Secondly if that isn't the case just because someone else finds it distasteful and inappropriate that doesn't make it so, maybe he hasn't removed the comment because he doesn't agree that it's distasteful. i dont think that's a lack of decency,



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I am, however, still entitled to comment on the fact that I find it distasteful. I am fully aware that he may not find it distasteful, and I really didn't see the need for you to comment.

[cambo]

imagine the abuse id take on ere if i said lets ship mikkyt and the rest of his kind to england? just a stupid sick thing to say

[bolt pp]

Firstly, maybe he hasn't removed it because it's been quoted so many times.

Secondly if that isn't the case just because someone else finds it distasteful and inappropriate that doesn't make it so, maybe he hasn't removed the comment because he doesn't agree that it's distasteful. i dont think that's a lack of decency,



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I am, however, still entitled to comment on the fact that I find it distasteful. I am fully aware that he may not find it distasteful, and I really didn't see the need for you to comment.
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I completely agree that you're entitled to comment on how distasteful you find it, i too found it to be in eminently bad taste, but that's not what you did!

you didnt question his "decency" in making the post, you questioned his decency in him not taking it down!!!

He shouldnt be bullied by others into taking it down lest he be accused of lacking decency, that's unfair, just because you, me or anyone else says it's inappropriate doesnt make it so and if it's the original posters contention that it isn't then it's correct of him to leave it up

If you had said that he lacked decency in making the original post i wouldn't have commented but to suggest that he lacks decency because he hasn't bowed to the disgust his comment has received is wrong, you dont even direct the comment at him, you make a snide comment to dale about it and it's like bullying and i dont like it.

[The Dundonian]

Firstly, maybe he hasn't removed it because it's been quoted so many times.

Secondly if that isn't the case just because someone else finds it distasteful and inappropriate that doesn't make it so, maybe he hasn't removed the comment because he doesn't agree that it's distasteful. i dont think that's a lack of decency,

I am, however, still entitled to comment on the fact that I find it distasteful. I am fully aware that he may not find it distasteful, and I really didn't see the need for you to comment.
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I completely agree that you're entitled to comment on how distasteful you find it, i too found it to be in eminently bad taste, but that's not what you did!

you didnt question his "decency" in making the post, you questioned his decency in him not taking it down!!!

He shouldnt be bullied by others into taking it down lest he be accused of lacking decency, that's unfair, just because you, me or anyone else says it's inappropriate doesnt make it so and if it's the original posters contention that it isn't then it's correct of him to leave it up

If you had said that he lacked decency in making the original post i wouldn't have commented but to suggest that he lacks decency because he hasn't bowed to the disgust his comment has received is wrong, you dont even direct the comment at him, you make a snide comment to dale about it and it's like bullying and i dont like it.
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I fail to see what point you are making here Bolt, you normally talk a lot of sense but this one has me baffled.
You agree that the comment is in incredibly bad taste, even more so by the fact that MT was a Liverpudlian that had moved to Scotland and it was Scottish kids he abused.
I fail to find one redeeming factor in the comment that he made, if someone can please let me know. Bullying ?? try outrage my friend.
I believe it to be a stupid, ill thought out, immature comment that was supposed to have a funny side. I always try and give people the benefit of the doubt. I hardly see the need for you to try and justify his frame of mind or how he percieves his comments, people have a right to be angry and a right to voice that anger.

[bolt pp]

I'm not taking issue with anyone saying that the post shows a lack of decency, i'm taking issue with steelys comment that the lack of decency arises from the original poster not removing his post in light of the reaction it provoked, o.k?

[The Dundonian]

I know the point you were making bolt, I said in my second sentence that you found the comment distasteful.
 I doubt very much the poster has looked at the thread again or given it a second thought (maybe posting after a few beers, we have all done it) because if he had, he would have, no doubt, removed it.

Which he should have done if not for decencies sake , then at least for a politic one.

As I have said before I will give him the benefit of the doubt,  maybe you should have done the same when reading and replying to Steeleys post.

[bolt pp]

The first line of your first post:

"I fail to see what point you are making here bolt"

The first line of your second post:

"I know the point you were making Bolt"

Are you winding me up?

[The Dundonian]

Oh dear!

The first line I said because I could not understand why you would make such a strange post with talk about "bullying" what bullying? Like I said before it was outrage not bullying that facilitated these comments.

 Then defending the right of someone to make a post "about moving these people to Scotland" If everybody sees that a comment "lacks decency" then guess what? Regardless of what the poster thinks. It lacks decency.

Then came the line about "snide remarks." Snide remarks are said behind someones back to undermine them, these were right out in the open hidden from no one, what were snide about them?


In my second reply I was trying to make a concillitary effort to not escalate an arguement but put my point across without causing offence.
This is obviously not a consideration you have any thought of making as the childish post above shows. A personal attck on someone because perhaps their English and written language is not as eloquant as it could be is churlish indeed.

You made a bad post and then tried to defend it and when all else failed you turned to sarcasm.
Carry on carrying on my friend if it makes you feel better, I will know better to try and have any kind of serious debate with you in the future.