Missing Madeleine

[lazaroonie]

so they find traces of Madeline's blood in a hire car 25 days after her disappearance, hired by her parents, tests carried out in GB, coincidence?

i dont quite follow dewi...

[fearisthekey]

so they find traces of Madeline's blood in a hire car 25 days after her disappearance, hired by her parents, tests carried out in GB, coincidence?

Suspects: they're given special status so that the police can carry out certain questioning etc, and to offer them some protection, this doesn't even mean that they're 'suspects' in the common sense of the word.
The blood goes to the UK for testing because you need very special equipment to work on small traces of blood for these purposes. From these tests you can sometimes work out if the subject had been drugged.
Blood in the car: what on earth does this mean exactly? First: there are other legitimate reasons why the child's mother may have had traces of her daughter's blood on her, from weeks before her disappearance. We cannot yet tie down the "age" of the blood that closesly. Secondly: so the McCann's purportedly killed their daughter, raised the alarm over her disappearance, then during the following two weeks disposed of her body? You kidding me?
All relevant sources have commented on how crap the Portuguese investigation has been from a procedural/forensic perspective. Quite possible that there has been cross contamination etc.
The McCann's kind of went overboard in publicising their daughter's disappearance for two people supposedly involved in her death.....
It's not outwith the realms of possibility that they are being framed. Remember Beligium.....and just high up in society the paedophile rings were operating?

[BigTomatoes]

 mate , i like most of your posts , but sometimes you talk pish.

 

Suspects: they're given special status so that the police can carry out certain questioning etc, and to offer them some protection, this doesn't even mean that they're 'suspects' in the common sense of the word.

 mate ,  there are 3 official suspects in this case , Robert Murat , Kate McCann and Gerry McCann.
 a suspect in Portugal is the same as a suspect in Britain , they are suspected of being involved in the murder or disappearance of Madelaine. i know what your trying to say , but just because the status of suspect is different in Portugal does not mean they are not " suspects " meaning being suspected of committing a crime

 

Blood in the car: what on earth does this mean exactly? First: there are other legitimate reasons why the child's mother may have had traces of her daughter's blood on her, from weeks before her disappearance. We cannot yet tie down the "age" of the blood that closesly.

 yep thats right , she could have cut her finger 6 months ago and traces are on her mum's dress . just go for that then and dont bother investigating it.after all , thats her Mum , Mums dont hurt their children right ??

  remember this could be a murder investigation , so any traces of blood found on or near a suspect or in a suspects property ( villa and car ) should be taken very seriously and not dismissed.


 

Secondly: so the McCann's purportedly killed their daughter, raised the alarm over her disappearance, then during the following two weeks disposed of her body? You kidding me?

 that is one theory , and why would this theory be so hard to believe ? would hardly be the crime of the century would it ?

 remember both parents are doctors , if they are willing to go out for an evening and leave 3 young kids alone in their room to me it is conceivable they may have been willing to give a child drugs or sedate them in order to let them go out


 

All relevant sources have commented on how crap the Portuguese investigation has been from a procedural/forensic perspective. Quite possible that there has been cross contamination etc.

 of course that is possible , as in any criminal case , but it seems like your clutching at straws now , instead of looking at logic and facts , you look like your hoping the facts are being misconstrued or the evidence is flawed. you may well be right , but it is up to the Portuguese police to conduct the investigation and we have to trust their verdict in the end.

 

The McCann's kind of went overboard in publicising their daughter's disappearance for two people supposedly involved in her death.....

 remember Ian Huntleys reaction with the media ? wouldn't be the first time would it ?

 

It's not outwith the realms of possibility that they are being framed. Remember Beligium.....and just high up in society the paedophile rings were operating?

 not out the realms of reality no , a bit conspiratorial yes.
 people seem to look for far stretched theories rather than logical ones when they find something hard to believe.

 i must stress , i do not know if the McCanns were involved , i'm just saying you cant rule it out , lets let the Portuguese police get on with finding out what REALLY happened to little Madeleine once and for all.

[Geo the Sarge]

 mate , i like most of your posts , but sometimes you talk pish.

 

Suspects: they're given special status so that the police can carry out certain questioning etc, and to offer them some protection, this doesn't even mean that they're 'suspects' in the common sense of the word.

 mate ,  there are 3 official suspects in this case , Robert Murat , Kate McCann and Gerry McCann.
 a suspect in Portugal is the same as a suspect in Britain , they are suspected of being involved in the murder or disappearance of Madelaine. i know what your trying to say , but just because the status of suspect is different in Portugal does not mean they are not " suspects " meaning being suspected of committing a crime

 

Blood in the car: what on earth does this mean exactly? First: there are other legitimate reasons why the child's mother may have had traces of her daughter's blood on her, from weeks before her disappearance. We cannot yet tie down the "age" of the blood that closesly.

 yep thats right , she could have cut her finger 6 months ago and traces are on her mum's dress . just go for that then and dont bother investigating it.after all , thats her Mum , Mums dont hurt their children right ??

  remember this could be a murder investigation , so any traces of blood found on or near a suspect or in a suspects property ( villa and car ) should be taken very seriously and not dismissed.


 

Secondly: so the McCann's purportedly killed their daughter, raised the alarm over her disappearance, then during the following two weeks disposed of her body? You kidding me?

 that is one theory , and why would this theory be so hard to believe ? would hardly be the crime of the century would it ?

 remember both parents are doctors , if they are willing to go out for an evening and leave 3 young kids alone in their room to me it is conceivable they may have been willing to give a child drugs or sedate them in order to let them go out


 

All relevant sources have commented on how crap the Portuguese investigation has been from a procedural/forensic perspective. Quite possible that there has been cross contamination etc.

 of course that is possible , as in any criminal case , but it seems like your clutching at straws now , instead of looking at logic and facts , you look like your hoping the facts are being misconstrued or the evidence is flawed. you may well be right , but it is up to the Portuguese police to conduct the investigation and we have to trust their verdict in the end.

 

The McCann's kind of went overboard in publicising their daughter's disappearance for two people supposedly involved in her death.....

 remember Ian Huntleys reaction with the media ? wouldn't be the first time would it ?

 

It's not outwith the realms of possibility that they are being framed. Remember Beligium.....and just high up in society the paedophile rings were operating?

 not out the realms of reality no , a bit conspiratorial yes.
 people seem to look for far stretched theories rather than logical ones when they find something hard to believe.

 i must stress , i do not know if the McCanns were involved , i'm just saying you cant rule it out , lets let the Portuguese police get on with finding out what REALLY happened to little Madeleine once and for all.

A very good post BT and very well thought out. You the Polis?

Geo.

[Dewi_cool]

so they find traces of Madeline's blood in a hire car 25 days after her disappearance, hired by her parents, tests carried out in GB, coincidence?

i dont quite follow dewi...

Aye Laz I see what you mean, I'd had a few

what I was trying to say was that the tests were carried out in GB so far more a possibility of these tests being accurate in comparison to Portugal imo, and if indeed the rumours are true that Madeline's blood was found in the hire car 25 days following her disappearance it changes the whole dynamics of the investigation as we have seen over the last few days. As we dont have all the info to hand I for one would not discount any of the options discussed.

[turny]

if the mccanns are somehow linked to the poor young girls death how did they escape the media for long enough to move the body twice and dispose of it in a country unfamiliar to them? the media have been following there every move.
if they are involved i suspect a third party involvement as well.

in my opinion due to the many cock ups by portuguese police ie missing the blood in the apartment and actually reletting it shortly after the disapperance, i think there will be enough loopholes for anyone charged with any crime linked too her disappearance to find away to get out of it.

unfortunatley i hate to say it but i dont think we will ever know the real truth.

[boldie]

if the mccanns are somehow linked to the poor young girls death how did they escape the media for long enough to move the body twice and dispose of it in a country unfamiliar to them? the media have been following there every move.
if they are involved i suspect a third party involvement as well.

in my opinion due to the many cock ups by portuguese police ie missing the blood in the apartment and actually reletting it shortly after the disapperance, i think there will be enough loopholes for anyone charged with any crime linked too her disappearance to find away to get out of it.

unfortunatley i hate to say it but i dont think we will ever know the real truth.

indeed. I think it's almost safe to say there isn't a worse police force in the world than the Portuguese police who have been working on this case. Jesus, anyone who has ever watched CSI knows that reletting a room (which also means the maid did the cleaning) is not a good idea when you're looking for evidence.
I don't know if the MCCanns themselves did it (I really doubt it) I think the police have just had enough by now and want some sort of resolution and they want to look busy and they don't want it to look like they ballsed it up and so it is fairly easy for them to accuse people now and hope it sticks in the minds of the public so that they can then say "Not enough evidence to take it any further"

[fearisthekey]

 mate , i like most of your posts , but sometimes you talk pish.

 

Suspects: they're given special status so that the police can carry out certain questioning etc, and to offer them some protection, this doesn't even mean that they're 'suspects' in the common sense of the word.

 mate ,  there are 3 official suspects in this case , Robert Murat , Kate McCann and Gerry McCann.
 a suspect in Portu
gal is the same as a suspect in Britain , they are suspected of being involved in the murder or disappearance of Madelaine. i know what your trying to say , but just because the status of suspect is different in Portugal does not mean they are not " suspects " meaning being suspected of committing a crime

 

Blood in the car: what on earth does this mean exactly? First: there are other legitimate reasons why the child's mother may have had traces of her daughter's blood on her, from weeks before her disappearance. We cannot yet tie down the "age" of the blood that closesly.

 yep thats right , she could have cut her finger 6 months ago and traces are on her mum's dress . just go for that then and dont bother investigating it.after all , thats her Mum , Mums dont hurt their children right ??

  remember this could be a murder investigation , so any traces of blood found on or near a suspect or in a suspects property ( villa and car ) should be taken very seriously and not dismissed.


 

Secondly: so the McCann's purportedly killed their daughter, raised the alarm over her disappearance, then during the following two weeks disposed of her body? You kidding me?

 that is one theory , and why would this theory be so hard to believe ? would hardly be the crime of the century would it ?

 remember both parents are doctors , if they are willing to go out for an evening and leave 3 young kids alone in their room to me it is conceivable they may have been willing to give a child drugs or sedate them in order to let them go out


 

All relevant sources have commented on how crap the Portuguese investigation has been from a procedural/forensic perspective. Quite possible that there has been cross contamination etc.

 of course that is possible , as in any criminal case , but it seems like your clutching at straws now , instead of looking at logic and facts , you look like your hoping the facts are being misconstrued or the evidence is flawed. you may well be right , but it is up to the Portuguese police to conduct the investigation and we have to trust their verdict in the end.

 

The McCann's kind of went overboard in publicising their daughter's disappearance for two people supposedly involved in her death.....

 remember Ian Huntleys reaction with the media ? wouldn't be the first time would it ?

 

It's not outwith the realms of possibility that they are being framed. Remember Beligium.....and just high up in society the paedophile rings were operating?

 not out the realms of reality no , a bit conspiratorial yes.
 people seem to look for far stretched theories rather than logical ones when they find something hard to believe.

 i must stress , i do not know if the McCanns were involved , i'm just saying you cant rule it out , lets let the Portuguese police get on with finding out what REALLY happened to little Madeleine once and for all.

I was offering an alternative standpoint and I find holes in much of what you're saying, but you come across as so rude that I just can't be arsed typing them out. Work it out yourself.

[MANTIS01]

Ok so this is the theory...

Despite being doctors the Mcganns overdose their daughter with sedatives so they can go and party.

During the evening they check on their children only to find they have killed Madeline. The emotion of this horrifying situation is quickly suppressed and a plot is hatched to cover it up. They do this so they don't loose their jobs...something that would naturally be at the forefront of their minds right about then. They get their daughters body and stuff it in the boot of their car before announcing to all their friends in the restaurant Maddie has been abducted.

They spin an elaborate web of lies to the Portuguese police and embark upon a frenzied media campaign to throw a red-herring to the rest of the world. While all this is going on they secretly dispose of the body in a makeshift grave in the hills of a foreign country....denying their daughter a proper and respectful funeral is an insignificant detail for the murderous duo.

They lie to everyone they know...including all their friends, parents and the rest of the family...a lie they will continue to tell for the rest of their lives. Of course the endless pain and suffering this causes their parents etc is a minor detail. Despite being deeply religious they have no qualms about travelling to the Vatican and duping the Pope....we've got to make this look realistic they think and of course God will understand come judgement day.

Rather than ask for a bit of privacy at this difficult time they decide to constantly push the media campaign forward, Gerry McGann writes a daily blog as an extra convincer, and they also secure a campaign fund in excess of £1m...happy days, we're gonna get some cash out of this.



Of course the alternative would be...find your daughter dead, be devastated, phone the police/ambulance.

Anyone who believes the first scenario is living in cloud cuckoo land.

And suddenly we go from....
Posted by: BigTomatoes

remember both parents are doctors , if they are willing to go out for an evening and leave 3 young kids alone in their room

to comparisons with Ian Huntley. It is a fact that as people we are drawn more to the sensational than to the mundane. It is somehow more convincing. But the truth of the matter is that the Portuguese police are clearly incompetent and are looking to implode the investigation because they don't know what to do next.

I think it would be a good idea to support this family through what must be a tremendously gruelling ordeal.

[fearisthekey]

Ok so this is the theory...

Despite being doctors the Mcganns overdose their daughter with sedatives so they can go and party.

During the evening they check on their children only to find they have killed Madeline. The emotion of this horrifying situation is quickly suppressed and a plot is hatched to cover it up. They do this so they don't loose their jobs...something that would naturally be at the forefront of their minds right about then. They get their daughters body and stuff it in the boot of their car before announcing to all their friends in the restaurant Maddie has been abducted.

They spin an elaborate web of lies to the Portuguese police and embark upon a frenzied media campaign to throw a red-herring to the rest of the world. While all this is going on they secretly dispose of the body in a makeshift grave in the hills of a foreign country....denying their daughter a proper and respectful funeral is an insignificant detail for the murderous duo.

They lie to everyone they know...including all their friends, parents and the rest of the family...a lie they will continue to tell for the rest of their lives. Of course the endless pain and suffering this causes their parents etc is a minor detail. Despite being deeply religious they have no qualms about travelling to the Vatican and duping the Pope....we've got to make this look realistic they think and of course God will understand come judgement day.

Rather than ask for a bit of privacy at this difficult time they decide to constantly push the media campaign forward, Gerry McGann writes a daily blog as an extra convincer, and they also secure a campaign fund in excess of £1m...happy days, we're gonna get some cash out of this.



Of course the alternative would be...find your daughter dead, be devastated, phone the police/ambulance.

Anyone who believes the first scenario is living in cloud cuckoo land.

And suddenly we go from....
Posted by: BigTomatoes

remember both parents are doctors , if they are willing to go out for an evening and leave 3 young kids alone in their room

to comparisons with Ian Huntley. It is a fact that as people we are drawn more to the sensational than to the mundane. It is somehow more convincing. But the truth of the matter is that the Portuguese police are clearly incompetent and are looking to implode the investigation because they don't know what to do next.

I think it would be a good idea to support this family through what must be a tremendously gruelling ordeal.

Very  well put and exactly how I see it. However there's a lot of logic and fact in your post, in the UK we read 'The Sun' and prefer your more sensation-driven version, low on informed-reasoning and high on front-page impact. Remember that blood was found supposedly in the car, so we need to write in a bit about how her mother either stabbed her daughter or dismembered her body.
I was pretty worried yesterday that this would just be the final crushing blow for the parents, who have just gone through this horrific ordeal of losing their daughter just to have this thrown at them (remember in the UK we have 'innocent until proven guilty'? There's not even evidence that Madeleine is dead). However I saw Kate McCann in an interview saying that once she'd gone through the pain of the loss, nothing could really faze her. They'll likely just be really pissed off at the distraction it's causing to the search.

[celtic]

They are a couple of tits and desrve all they get IMHO.

Vince

[turny]

They are a couple of tits and desrve all they get IMHO.

Vince

what a peculiar and distasteful post!

please feel free to elaborate and maybe back up your opinion with facts?

[celtic]

Ok, the only real facts we know are that two supposedly educated individuals were in a foreign country and thought it was appropriate to leave their children, the oldest of which was 4 unattended in a holiday apartment whilst checking on them every half an hour while they jollyed it up in a tapas bar accross the way. Anything could have happened while they were out i.e Maddy could have woke up and played with matches etc. Just plain stupidity what they done. Distateful post by me maybe but as a father, my feeling is they deserve all they get.

[AndrewT]

Ok, the only real facts we know are that two supposedly educated individuals were in a foreign country and thought it was appropriate to leave their children, the oldest of which was 4 unattended in a holiday apartment whilst checking on them every half an hour while they jollyed it up in a tapas bar accross the way. Anything could have happened while they were out i.e Maddy could have woke up and played with matches etc. Just plain stupidity what they done. Distateful post by me maybe but as a father, my feeling is they deserve all they get.

We did all these types of posts about four months ago.

[booder]

Ok, the only real facts we know are that two supposedly educated individuals were in a foreign country and thought it was appropriate to leave their children, the oldest of which was 4 unattended in a holiday apartment whilst checking on them every half an hour while they jollyed it up in a tapas bar accross the way. Anything could have happened while they were out i.e Maddy could have woke up and played with matches etc. Just plain stupidity what they done. Distateful post by me maybe but as a father, my feeling is they deserve all they get.

Perhaps you should be sympathising with their loss rather than rejoicing.  I too am a father, by no means perfect. There but for the grace of God..........