Whats your move?

[matt674]

PokerStars Game #10362156059: Tournament #51838441, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/06/10 - 05:54:01 (ET)
Table '51838441 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: traz19 (2040 in chips)
Seat 2: raiders3327 (1870 in chips)
Seat 3: Ceze75 (6095 in chips)
Seat 4: strangers82 (3585 in chips)
Seat 5: EchoNiko (4435 in chips)
Seat 6: 1972md (5580 in chips)
Seat 7: panama21 (2545 in chips)
Seat 8: matt674 (6280 in chips)
Seat 9: charoar (3930 in chips)
1972md: posts small blind 50
panama21: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to matt674 [ ]
matt674: calls 100
charoar: raises 200 to 300
traz19: folds
raiders3327: folds
Ceze75: folds
strangers82: folds
EchoNiko: folds
1972md: calls 250
panama21: folds
matt674: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [ ]
1972md: checks
matt674: checks
charoar: bets 200
1972md: calls 200
matt674: calls 200
*** TURN *** [ ] []
1972md: checks
matt674: checks
charoar: bets 700
1972md: calls 700

matt674:

[boldie]

you played this like I played my WSOP sat yesterday, in other words very poorly.
A min raise from UTG? that's just wrong. Either limp or raise to 400 don't piss about with raises that don't mean anything.
I can understand the check on the flop, see what others do first. But then when they fire in a very small bet you have to raise them and see what's actually going on in the hand.
Raise to 800-1000 and see who's still in, then you can reasses on the turn.
Right now?...might aswell fold it here..there isn't a card in the pack that can actually help you (other than a ten) if anything other than a ten comes down you will still think you're behind.

[matt674]

A min raise from UTG? that's just wrong. Either limp

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to matt674 [ ]
matt674: calls 100

[boldie]

A min raise from UTG? that's just wrong. Either limp

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to matt674 [ ]
matt674: calls 100

ah..sorry mate...that's fine of course.

Reraise for me on the flop.

[matt674]

Right now?...might aswell fold it here..there isn't a card in the pack that can actually help you (other than a ten) if anything other than a ten comes down you will still think you're behind.

yeah, thats what i thought

matt674: folds
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
1972md: checks
charoar: bets 1200
1972md: calls 1200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
charoar: shows [ ] (a pair of Eights)
1972md: shows [ ] (a pair of Aces)
1972md collected 5400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5400 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: traz19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: raiders3327 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ceze75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: strangers82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: EchoNiko (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 1972md (small blind) showed [ ] and won (5400) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: panama21 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: matt674 folded on the Turn
Seat 9: charoar showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Eights

[matt674]

So what about here?

Same tourney - same player who called with the A8

PokerStars Game #10362366936: Tournament #51838441, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/06/10 - 06:27:09 (ET)
Table '51838441 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: traz19 (2506 in chips)
Seat 2: raiders3327 (3014 in chips)
Seat 3: Ceze75 (10705 in chips)
Seat 4: strangers82 (5260 in chips)
Seat 6: 1972md (18819 in chips)
Seat 7: azakas10 (8438 in chips)
Seat 8: matt674 (6005 in chips)
Seat 9: grenis11 (4850 in chips)
strangers82: posts small blind 100
1972md: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to matt674 [ ]
azakas10: folds
matt674: raises 400 to 600
grenis11: folds
traz19: folds
raiders3327: folds
Ceze75: folds
strangers82: folds
1972md: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [ ]
1972md: checks
matt674: bets 800
1972md: calls 800
*** TURN *** [ ] []
1972md: checks

matt674:

[boldie]

keep a betting for me. 1800 odd to go

[matt674]

Close enough

PokerStars Game #10362366936: Tournament #51838441, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/06/10 - 06:27:09 (ET)
Table '51838441 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: traz19 (2506 in chips)
Seat 2: raiders3327 (3014 in chips)
Seat 3: Ceze75 (10705 in chips)
Seat 4: strangers82 (5260 in chips)
Seat 6: 1972md (18819 in chips)
Seat 7: azakas10 (8438 in chips)
Seat 8: matt674 (6005 in chips)
Seat 9: grenis11 (4850 in chips)
strangers82: posts small blind 100
1972md: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to matt674 [ ]
azakas10: folds
matt674: raises 400 to 600
grenis11: folds
traz19: folds
raiders3327: folds
Ceze75: folds
strangers82: folds
1972md: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [ ]
1972md: checks
matt674: bets 800
1972md: calls 800
*** TURN *** [ ] []
1972md: checks
matt674: bets 1400
1972md: raises 1400 to 2800

matt674:

You have 1805 chips left, what do you put him on?

[deepreacher]

A2 os?

[booder]

  KQ diamonds

[Rookie (Rodney)]

instashove

[tantrum]

The first one, min raise on the flop - I would re-raise there.

Second one, not sure but this guy seems to me he is a bit passive and usually when those min bettors and flat callers re-raise he might hit a set/two pair or something.  Of course he can have a KQ and think that's this hand is good there.  Whether you call his re-raise or fold it is really up to you and your read on him. 

[matt674]

After the first hand with A8 - i put him on the same hand again and so...................

matt674: raises 1805 to 4605 and is all-in
1972md: calls 1805
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
1972md: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Deuces)
matt674: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
1972md collected 12110 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12110 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: traz19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: raiders3327 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ceze75 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: strangers82 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: 1972md (big blind) showed [ ] and won (12110) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 7: azakas10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: matt674 showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Aces and Deuces
Seat 9: grenis11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Have to admit i thought K2 was a mountain in asia not a hand to call preflop out of position

Ho hum, on the plus side its not a bad beat as i put the majority of my money in with the worst hand - so i save myself 50p

[UpTheMariners]

for the aj hand you have'nt found out were you are at any point? by cold calling you have no information therefore you must fold on the turn. either bet or check raise the flop. an utg+1 raise is also normally fairly strong so you've gotta give him credit for a decent hand.

[tantrum]

2nd hand , not big suprise, those passive players bet usually when hit big... keep the notes you will have his/her money