The end..

[Acidmouse]

I am so happy its getting introduced. My throats so delicate everytime I play poker at local casino my throats sore for 3-4 days after.

People can argue over how bad they are or not, but I really dont care now as long as they cant smoke near me.

[AdamM]

No they get warned then lose their license.

a fine is also an option

[ifm]

No they get warned then lose their license.

a fine is also an option

No point arguing but i thought the fines were for individuals, i was talking about businesses.

[AdamM]

businesses can be fined for all sorts of things.
what I'm saying is those fines aren't taxes, stealth or otherwise.

quick search tells me max £5000 fine for selling alcohol to minors

[ifm]

businesses can be fined for all sorts of things.
what I'm saying is those fines aren't taxes, stealth or otherwise.

quick search tells me max £5000 fine for selling alcohol to minors

My quick search says "persistant" abuse of the law.
It's a tax IMO because it is brought in under the guise of something else.

[Acidmouse]

You mean if they break the law and fined  its a tax?

[Rod Paradise]

It hasn't proved to be a tax in Scotland in the last year or so. It's been incredibly well respected & even most smokers wouldn't change it now.

Personally I think there should have been more study on proper air-conditioning etc to diminish the passive smoking for staff & then a choice made whereby a pub/club could pay for proper aircon or ban smoking. I don't reckon there'd be too many smoking pubs even then.

[AdamM]

it's not tax because no-one ever has to pay it

[Laxie]

Love this quote

"The report shows that a Europe-wide trend to drink alcohol at home rather than in bars and pubs appears to account for the apparent downturn in trade after the Irish smokefree legislation was introduced in 2004."

So it admits to a "downturn in trade" but blames it on folks not being arsed to go to the pub, fantastic!!!!

I live in Ireland and that's a load!!!  People stopped going to the pub because of the ban...full stop.  In our village they started having more house parties...because of the ban.  We live in a small village that used to have 11 pubs and is now down to 7...because of the ban.  That said, 7 pubs for such a small village is still great going.  I smoke and I still go to the pub probably more regularly than I should...lol  BUT, we don't meet half as many of our friends as we used to on a night out.  It's true...they can't be arsed...because of the ban. 

With all that said, even as a smoker, I've learned to deal with the ban and have seen some of the benefits.  I don't smoke NEAR as much as I would have in the 'ole days'.  I wear contact lenses.  It used to feel like they'd been welded to my eyes after a night out before, but not anymore.  I'd shower and pretty meself up for a night out, but the clothes I'd worn for those few hours of the night out were wrecked from the smell of smoke by the time it was over.

Glass if half full....glass is half empty.  All the statistics in the world can't paint it black and white because there are far too many sides to it.

[CelticGeezeer]

IMO Nicotine should be reclassified as a class c drug and banned completely. Let the addicts buy their drugs from the illegal drug dealers, it may even reduce the number of children that get introduced to this useless drug each year.

[sharpy]

IMO Nicotine should be reclassified as a class c drug and banned completely. Let the addicts buy their drugs from the illegal drug dealers, it may even reduce the number of children that get introduced to this useless drug each year.

 Nice idea perhaps they should reclassify alcohol at the same time

[Laxie]

IMO Nicotine should be reclassified as a class c drug and banned completely. Let the addicts buy their drugs from the illegal drug dealers, it may even reduce the number of children that get introduced to this useless drug each year.

 Nice idea perhaps they should reclassify alcohol at the same time

In that case, I'm going to jail for sure!   

[ifm]

IMO Nicotine should be reclassified as a class c drug and banned completely. Let the addicts buy their drugs from the illegal drug dealers, it may even reduce the number of children that get introduced to this useless drug each year.

I already do

[phatomch]

the only thing with the ban is. How many players will revert tothe net to play now they can not smoke at a live event?

[kinboshi]

the only thing with the ban is. How many players will revert tothe net to play now they can not smoke at a live event?

How many move from playing solely on the net to playing live as well now that there's no smoking?