your move Early tourney, what to do next?

[Newmanseye]

£30 freezeout at stanley Circus Edinburgh, Early in the tourney ( about 25 hands in )  Level 2, blinds 50 / 100

Average stack is 8.5k

We have 8250 in chips, starting stack was 7000

We are in late position and we find KK

Early position villan makes it 350 to play, Middle position 1 caller.

Action to us, We make it 900.

Early position re-raises to 1800.

Middle position folds.

Action on us..




What do we do next?



Now i should mention, our villan has played more than half of the hands delt in the tourney so far, and has shown a lot of garbage so far, We think we have a slight bead on this guy but not confirmed yet.

[Longy]

Shove he never has aa often enough to consider ever folding.

As a mix up play in cash games i might flat call as a mix up but that it is when we are deeper and trying to deceive a thinking opponent. We are not deep enough and our opponent sounds quite fishy that im happy to get it in here, instead of him out flopping us or getting away on a missed flop.

I have feeling you going to tell me that he showed aa and you got criticised though.

[M3boy]

Shove for me aswell.

However, I do not like your initial raise.

With a raise and a call infront of you, you are giving both the initial raiser AND caller odds to call. I would of made the raise a little more.

You could also flat call and let him committ himself to the flop, that is if you are feeling adventurous

[TightEnd]

I like a raise to 1,500 pre-flop better, for 550 more as played you are pricing in a wide range of hands in EP and then MP is priced in when EP calls


As played, I call

[Newmanseye]

I mucked em face up, showed the kings to a barrage of abuse, until the villan flips over his aces.

Truth be told i only folded as he completely changed in the hand, prior to this he had been loud and a bit of a " notice me  notice me " type of player, but as soon as this hand started he wanted to blend in to the background.

I could smell something fishy and i was right ( for once ).

[TightEnd]

Truth be told i only folded as he completely changed in the hand, prior to this he had been loud and a bit of a " notice me  notice me " type of player, but as soon as this hand started he wanted to blend in to the background.

I could smell something fishy and i was right ( for once ).

well, you never told us the vital bit!!

[Newmanseye]

Truth be told i only folded as he completely changed in the hand, prior to this he had been loud and a bit of a " notice me  notice me " type of player, but as soon as this hand started he wanted to blend in to the background.

I could smell something fishy and i was right ( for once ).

well, you never told us the vital bit!!

Well 7 other people at the table did'nt notice the vital bit, 

[bhoywonder]

nice one



awful show from him though


im still pushing

the K was coming for u

lol

[ACE2M]

don't take offence but whats the point of posting that???

i read a PLO book that was basically a hand quiz and he kept giving more info about the players in the answers that would have affected your decision had you known it in the question. It was so frustrating that i binned it.

[temp0r]

this was posted entirely to try and make you look like a pokergod.
and it's still a horrifically bad fold. i don't care if it was correct in this circumstance!

[NoflopsHomer]

don't take offence but whats the point of posting that???

i read a PLO book that was basically a hand quiz and he kept giving more info about the players in the answers that would have affected your decision had you known it in the question. It was so frustrating that i binned it.

Stewart Reuben's How Good Is Your Pot-Limit Omaha, yes?

This is a pretty pointless thread, I have to say. No offence, but the old "Should I pass KK preflop?" has been done so many times. Oh and I play it like Tighty, which is a worry.

[TightEnd]

Oh and I play it like Tighty, which is a worry.

 


enters little black book of poker grudges...

[ACE2M]

don't take offence but whats the point of posting that???

i read a PLO book that was basically a hand quiz and he kept giving more info about the players in the answers that would have affected your decision had you known it in the question. It was so frustrating that i binned it.

Stewart Reuben's How Good Is Your Pot-Limit Omaha, yes?

This is a pretty pointless thread, I have to say. No offence, but the old "Should I pass KK preflop?" has been done so many times. Oh and I play it like Tighty, which is a worry.

aye

[Senior Flushsky]

Now i should mention, our villan has played more than half of the hands delt in the tourney so far, and has shown a lot of garbage so far, We think we have a slight bead on this guy but not confirmed yet.

You basically folded the 2nd best PF hand in the game, to a complete donkey, who's playing more than every second hand, and showing down rubbish?

I think its a horrible fold. Youre preflop raise should be closer to 1500, he'd probably raise to 3000, and then i push and probably expect him to call with AK, AQ, 88+ because he's priced in and maybe fold the rest. The amount of times he has AA is what makes the fold so bad, and the fact that you showed it is even worse, If you're going to fold KK preflop, dont advertise to the world that you're doing it

[doubleup]

I do think there is some merit in this thread in that you can easily fold KK if you have betting info plus physical info.  PPL who act differently than "normal" pre-flop usually have AA or KK.  I remember one player who threw his bet in one movement pre-flop everytime and then changed to putting the call in followed by the raise (showed KK).  Another quite common tell is for a player in late position finding he has aces to look away from his cards quite quickly and look around the table but avoid eye contact.