CardRoom Manager Required

[AlexMartin]

Thats nowhere near enough. Just imagine if they got that card-room buzzing properly. I could easily see 100+ every night and 200 on a weekend. And poker players gamble a lot. 22k should attract someone with passion + drive. The casino would make up this in what, a month once it gets properly going?

[AndrewT]

A Grosvenor Cardroom Supervisor gets paid £17,000 a year.

yikes.

Yikes indeed. Working in a betting shop pays more than that and you get a sheet of glass between you and the punters...

[Dingdell]

Thats nowhere near enough. Just imagine if they got that card-room buzzing properly. I could easily see 100+ every night and 200 on a weekend. And poker players gamble a lot. 22k should attract someone with passion + drive. The casino would make up this in what, a month once it gets properly going?

Agreed but from what I understand grosvenor are required to run these operations as separate cost centres which means that despite what the players may contribute to the casino as a whole this is not taken into account when running the card room.

The card room is judged on it's profitability alone and the take doesn't allow for much to be spent on a card room manager.

[TightEnd]

They are hidebound by buraeucracy and outdated corporate culture...and a huge crackdown on costs

if they won't pay £2xk to get Niall back from London, they aren't going to do so for A N Other IMO

[Simon Galloway]

Agreed but from what I understand grosvenor are required to run these operations as separate cost centres

Required by whom?  Required by themselves surely?  Which they could change, if it made a net positive difference to the company.

If a cardroom manager-in-waiting said "I want 40k - I will have 200 bums on seats each night by the end of the quarter and I will bring in 4 new punters that do 200k p.a. each on table games" it would be a daft company that couldn't consider it because of their own rules.

[Dingdell]

Agreed but from what I understand grosvenor are required to run these operations as separate cost centres

Required by whom?  Required by themselves surely?  Which they could change, if it made a net positive difference to the company.

No argument from me on that one - but they choose not to run their business in that way. Perhaps that's one of the reasons they are chosing to close down part of their operations? Perhaps they are profitable but not in the way they have run them recently and presented the figures? Tighty would know more about this I think.

[TightEnd]

its more to do with pay grades and corporate hierachies

croupier>>>inspector>>>supervisor etc etc

pay one outside their grade and you have PR problems with staff and Union issues


to quote one nameless Grosvenor manager, involved in finding a new supervisor

"If we brought him in he'd earn more than I do and thats not fair"

[Simon Galloway]

to quote one nameless Grosvenor manager, involved in finding a new supervisor

"If we brought him in he'd earn more than I do and thats not fair"

It is entirely fair of course if (s)he adds more value to the company than the manager does!  In IT, many managers earn far less than the staff they manage.  Why should being in the company since 1964 guarantee you more pay?

I realise that won't happen of course.  But how about recalibrating the role so that it is Pit Boss equivalent?  It basically is, responsibly for the "poker pit" and for assigning staff to duties within, not to mention of course the interaction with the nightmare punters   That should offer a union-friendly differential between inspector and card room manager.  No doubt that can't be done because of internal rules either...

[boldie]

to quote one nameless Grosvenor manager, involved in finding a new supervisor

"If we brought him in he'd earn more than I do and thats not fair"

It is entirely fair of course if (s)he adds more value to the company than the manager does!  In IT, many managers earn far less than the staff they manage.  Why should being in the company since 1964 guarantee you more pay?

agreed..and this is also a clear case where the unions should not get involved...and I half suspect they wouldn't

[phatomch]

In the Grosvenor chain only the Vic has a union, the rest of the group does not.

[phatomch]

I posted this earlier in a different thread but parts of it are relevent to this thread so ill put here as well.




Before i left Grosvenor, i was privvy to alot of info and if they are still going the way they are you can expect alot more closures.

Early last year they were setting up to be sold off so they stopped spending, they highlighted around 9 casinos that were doing bad and had the intention of closing them, due to high staffing cost ect so it looked good on the portfolio that all the casino's were doing well.

It carrys on this year in the fact that they have not given any pay raises to the lower levels this year and dont plan to for the next while.

The reason the share price plunged was Ranks new boss told the shares holders that the smoking ban was'nt effecting the company then 5 weeks later he had to announce a emergency loss of profits ( i cant remember the exact wording) statement, when this happened the shares dropped from around £1.30 to the 98p area we see now.

[77dave]

So we are saying that the cardroom will be rewarded if they find the right person to run the room

There arent many really good TDs out there

The casino wont pay the money to get the best person

The right TD could generate enough revenue to more than cover any expenditure

[Simon Galloway]

The right TD could generate enough revenue to more than cover any expenditure

It's the bit that bean counters don't get Jim.

Let's take a high roller punter, good for 5k a visit.  He comes in, does his money, gets a 100 quid (retail, much leass actual cost) meal comped and goes home happy.  Next a bean counter steps in and withdraws or tightens up the comp, the punter gets the hump when presented with the bill and doesn't come in any more.  In bean counter world, they have implemented a 100 pound saving.

[77dave]

So any news anyone? any rumours?  Its been a couple of months now. Surely they have found a replacement!!!

One of the best rooms in the country i thought people wold be breaking down doors to get this job

[TightEnd]

Two interviews for the position today.