shove?

[ACE2M]

5 off the bubble, button has been fairly quiet. i've been super aggro for a while and chip leader. shove?


Seat 1: tommyk1 (29910 in chips)
Seat 3: rickbarrata (15090 in chips)
Seat 4: JayMack1 (6128 in chips)
Seat 5: kokovie (685 in chips)
Seat 6: QPQPQPQQ (8002 in chips)
Seat 7: volleypunk (6490 in chips)
Seat 8: Hitech9 (3275 in chips)
Seat 9: T-factor04 (12998 in chips)
tommyk1: posts the ante 50
rickbarrata: posts the ante 50
JayMack1: posts the ante 50
kokovie: posts the ante 50
QPQPQPQQ: posts the ante 50
volleypunk: posts the ante 50
Hitech9: posts the ante 50
T-factor04: posts the ante 50
tommyk1: posts small blind 300
rickbarrata: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tommyk1 [ ]
JayMack1: folds
kokovie: raises 35 to 635 and is all-in
QPQPQPQQ: folds
volleypunk: folds
Hitech9: folds
T-factor04: raises 1165 to 1800

[Flea]

There's a fair chance he's going to call any raise you make (as you say you've been aggressive) and I'd suggest it's a race as I'd put him on AJ or AQ as anything more I'd reckon he'd raise a bit more than standard 3 times given that a player is already all-in. You do have him covered so it depends how you feel either fold,call and be prepared to lay it down to over-cards or shove knowing it's probably a 50/50 race.

To be honest given you're currently chip leader I'd be tempted to lay it down as you can find a better position than this and 10 10 isn't that strong, if it were QQ or KK then it's obviously an easy shove.

[doubleup]

Push seems a bit mad - the reraiser has 20bbs and prob won't call with much you are beating. 

[jezza777]

I dont mind passing here and using your stack to pick up orphan pots

[Longy]

Any read on T-factor? I think its important, if he has been active I would push. If not its a tricky one and Im not sure about calling as its a sod to play post flop but we are not far off playing for a set implied odds wise so I call.

Push seems a bit mad - the reraiser has 20bbs and prob won't call with much you are beating. 

Yeah but its one of those where the other options look crap as well. Your not suggesting making it 4k and passing to shove i presume?

[AlexMartin]

Hmmmm, i honestly think its a call. Postflop ur in position in a semi-dry pot. Postflop position should add some equity to the play.

[Longy]

Hmmmm, i honestly think its a call. Postflop ur in position in a semi-dry pot. Postflop position should add some equity to the play.

We are not in postion Alex, ACE2M is the sb. Change your point of view?

[doubleup]

Any read on T-factor? I think its important, if he has been active I would push. If not its a tricky one and Im not sure about calling as its a sod to play post flop but we are not far off playing for a set implied odds wise so I call.

Push seems a bit mad - the reraiser has 20bbs and prob won't call with much you are beating. 

Yeah but its one of those where the other options look crap as well. Your not suggesting making it 4k and passing to shove i presume?

Really not sure - I try to look at these situations and consider a) dead money/pot size b) what line is likely to induce a mistake from my opponent/risk of me making a mistake.  Shoving is unlikely to cause a mistake and the pot isn't that big relative to our stack and there is an allin player.  Calling is pishy as well as we could be squeezed by the bb and post flop is going to be difficult.  Making it 4k and passing doesn't seem right.  If we fold we are probably giving up a bit but protecting our stack and this should allow us to take liberties from now on until the bubble.  So I might pass - but would be very interested in the views of the regular MTT players.

 

[ACE2M]

well we really got to the bottom of this one!! Every option was taken by somebody. I ended up calling after considering the shove.

Then got outplayed on an ace high flop so the hand ended up costing me about 6k.

The button really hadn't got out of line so at the time i didn't think i was in great shape against his range but on reflection and experiencing these situations i reckon i am in good shape against his range and should have shoved.

[jezza777]

Did you consider passing?

[ACE2M]

Did you consider passing?

for a moment.

but i'm CL with a very loose image and a solid hand which i should exploit by shoving, so many hands i beat will call given my image.

We are also bubble time and he's been standard tag so good chance he folds too.

IMO of course, im perfectly open to other arguments, but that was my conclusion.

[doubleup]

but i'm CL with a very loose image and a solid hand which i should exploit by shoving, so many hands i beat will call given my image.

We are also bubble time and he's been standard tag so good chance he folds too.

You can't have it both ways.

Anyway I take the Sklansky cop out - if a decision is clearly very close then folding isn't likely to affect your long term ev.

[ACE2M]

but i'm CL with a very loose image and a solid hand which i should exploit by shoving, so many hands i beat will call given my image.

We are also bubble time and he's been standard tag so good chance he folds too.

You can't have it both ways.

Anyway I take the Sklansky cop out - if a decision is clearly very close then folding isn't likely to affect your long term ev.

not sure what you mean, i think he might call with hands i beat and i think he may fold them as well, either is fine by me. Am i missing something in my thinking?

[boldie]

I'm thinking a call is the worst of the options here. I'm ok with the fold but prefer the push. I would push to get HU against shortstack....if I get called and lose I have plenty chippies back. Call and hoping to hit a 10 is not an option for me.

[doubleup]

but i'm CL with a very loose image and a solid hand which i should exploit by shoving, so many hands i beat will call given my image.

We are also bubble time and he's been standard tag so good chance he folds too.

You can't have it both ways.

Anyway I take the Sklansky cop out - if a decision is clearly very close then folding isn't likely to affect your long term ev.

not sure what you mean, i think he might call with hands i beat and i think he may fold them as well, either is fine by me. Am i missing something in my thinking?

Not sure what point you are making - a big all in with TT will always be a dog against a tightish players calling range.  Thats not to say that ai is ev-.  I just think that there is more ev from maintaining your dominant stack and continuing to pressure up to the bubble.  But as I said it's a marginal decision anyway so prob not crucially important.