Beginning of the end for Rafa...

[sweet potata!]

Grats on the screamer ...

by the way, I said I didnt think Benitez would ever win a premier league because of his rotation shit, and the fact that Liverpool drop too many points against weak opposition ... his tactical and game knowledge is soooooooo suited to European football and not bolton or stoke on a wet wednesday in november.

I wouldnt say he is a crap manager, but i stand by my opinion that he doesnt have what it takes to win a premier campaign.

Lol Kev if you have been watching Liverpool this season you would know that Rafa has more or less scrapped the rotation policy we have played a very consistent XI all season.

[ ] You havent dropped points against sides who you should have murdered, rotation policy or not.

So you admit that your comment about the alleged "rotation policy" was off the mark? You will be saying we lost points because of zonal marking from corners next!

[Matt50]

Kin, with a different manager over the last 5 years, you may have won the league, you may have won the double, but there is also the same possibility that you wouldnt have won the champions league and you may not have even made it.  No one knows what 'would' have happened with a different manager.

Question for Liverpool fans - 'if Benitez leaves at the end of his contract without winning the premiership, will you still speak so highly of him?'

Winning the league is the most important thing to Liverpool fans.  If he's in charge for say another 5 years and we don't win the league - the fans will be disappointed. However, if we're challenging and not 15 points off the title race come March each season, then it will be an improvement.  If he manages another European title, that will help to appease fans, but the league is the most important thing (imo) - followed very closely by Europe.

I've criticised him, and I still do.  He rotated too much when he didn't have the squad to do it effectively.  I criticise the players as well, but I try and base it all on what I've seen with my own eyes or heard from reliable sources.

I also agree that Warnock is a t**t .

Along with 99.9% of all football supporters

[Colchester Kev]

Grats on the screamer ...

by the way, I said I didnt think Benitez would ever win a premier league because of his rotation shit, and the fact that Liverpool drop too many points against weak opposition ... his tactical and game knowledge is soooooooo suited to European football and not bolton or stoke on a wet wednesday in november.

I wouldnt say he is a crap manager, but i stand by my opinion that he doesnt have what it takes to win a premier campaign.

Lol Kev if you have been watching Liverpool this season you would know that Rafa has more or less scrapped the rotation policy we have played a very consistent XI all season.

[ ] You havent dropped points against sides who you should have murdered, rotation policy or not.

So you admit that your comment about the alleged "rotation policy" was off the mark? You will be saying we lost points because of zonal marking from corners next!

Rotation policy/team selection .... call it what you like, but just look through this board and look at all the posts from you Mickey's complaing about Rafa's starting 11.

[Colchester Kev]

PS. Kinboshi is worse than Ralph when it comes to being defensive about anyone daring to comment about his team... FACT !

[kinboshi]

PS. Kinboshi is worse than Ralph when it comes to being defensive about anyone daring to comment about his team... FACT !

I don't mind comments, I just like them to be backed up with some substance.

[The Baron]

LOL the guy can't win. It's his fault for rotation or team selection even though the team we put out should have won anyway!

Let's face it. Some will damn him no matter what.

[TheChipPrince]

Kin, with a different manager over the last 5 years, you may have won the league, you may have won the double, but there is also the same possibility that you wouldnt have won the champions league and you may not have even made it.  No one knows what 'would' have happened with a different manager.

Question for Liverpool fans - 'if Benitez leaves at the end of his contract without winning the premiership, will you still speak so highly of him?'

Winning the league is the most important thing to Liverpool fans.  If he's in charge for say another 5 years and we don't win the league - the fans will be disappointed. However, if we're challenging and not 15 points off the title race come March each season, then it will be an improvement.  If he manages another European title, that will help to appease fans, but the league is the most important thing (imo) - followed very closely by Europe.

I've criticised him, and I still do.  He rotated too much when he didn't have the squad to do it effectively.  I criticise the players as well, but I try and base it all on what I've seen with my own eyes or heard from reliable sources.

I also agree that Warnock is a t**t .

Along with 99.9% of all football supporters

Disagree, he loves being the bad guy, thumbs up from me...

[sweet potata!]

LOL the guy can't win. It's his fault for rotation or team selection even though the team we put out should have won anyway!

Let's face it. Some will damn him no matter what.

+1

Group hug everybody ! Some like Rafa some dont and that includes im sure both Liverpool fans and neutrals, no point arguing we will all agree to disagree.Howzat?

[The Baron]

Kin, with a different manager over the last 5 years, you may have won the league, you may have won the double, but there is also the same possibility that you wouldnt have won the champions league and you may not have even made it.  No one knows what 'would' have happened with a different manager.

Question for Liverpool fans - 'if Benitez leaves at the end of his contract without winning the premiership, will you still speak so highly of him?'

Good question. My answer is a simple no. You are judged on trophies.

But as you said about Moyes and O'Neill being potentially better than Rafa but not having to resources to prove it... the same will always apply to Liverpool and Rafa being compared to Ferguson/Mourinho. At the moment vs ManUre or Chelski we cant compete fairly in the transfer market, but this may possibly be true of Man City as well in the near future.

[The Baron]

I obviously didn't compile this list.. how could I, there were about 5 players I have never heard of!

And Robbie Keane wasn't on that list, if I had compiled it, he would have been top!

His man management of Keane was woeful in the extreme. Fergie or Wenger wouldn't have hung out a member of his squad out to dry in such a shameful manner.

Look, I haven't got an axe to grind. I dislike Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs alot more than Liverpool.

I just think with a different manager you would have had far more success over the last 5 years.

Fair enough, and I dont think you're sniping for shits and giggles, I just don't agree with most of what you said.

I also disagree about the hanging someone out to dry stuff.

Firstly Rafa has never said a bad word about Keane or blamed the guy for anything. Secondly both Ferguson and Wenger (although to a lesser extent) have acted far worse to members of their squad in the past. Some of whom were far more established and even fan favourites.

[The Camel]

Even the most one eyed red must agree that Hiddink gave Rafa a coaching lesson tonight.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

hahahahahahahaahah


WHO ARE YA, WHO ARE YA

[kinboshi]

We were beaten by the better team.  Playing like that, I wouldn't fancy anyone else against them - would you?

[  ] obviously means Rafa should go

[TightEnd]

Hiddink is a fantastic coach, set up Chelsea just right.

[The Camel]

We were beaten by the better team.  Playing like that, I wouldn't fancy anyone else against them - would you?

[  ] obviously means Rafa should go

Player for player Liverpool would be slightly ahead of Chelscum imo.

Just watched the Barc/Bayern highlights. Might as well give Barca the cup now, playing the games is just a waste of time.