Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[Colchester Kev]

Tom, was up all last night with a bitch of a toothache, and was flicking through the tv channels ... I got to "community TV" just as a programme made by Gypsy children was starting ... It was all based on the changing face of the appleby fair.

Lots of interviews with the old 'uns sharing their memories, and it wasn't a completely biased programme, as they also interviewed plenty of locals, both for and against the fair.

Was a really good programme, kids went to some place in Liverpool where they had a Gypsy archive or something ... have you been ?

[RED-DOG]

Tom, was up all last night with a bitch of a toothache, and was flicking through the tv channels ... I got to "community TV" just as a programme made by Gypsy children was starting ... It was all based on the changing face of the appleby fair.

Lots of interviews with the old 'uns sharing their memories, and it wasn't a completely biased programme, as they also interviewed plenty of locals, both for and against the fair.

Was a really good programme, kids went to some place in Liverpool where they had a Gypsy archive or something ... have you been ?

I think I saw this a few weeks ago kev. Was it the one where the kids went to the police station to interview the police?

[Colchester Kev]

Tom, was up all last night with a bitch of a toothache, and was flicking through the tv channels ... I got to "community TV" just as a programme made by Gypsy children was starting ... It was all based on the changing face of the appleby fair.

Lots of interviews with the old 'uns sharing their memories, and it wasn't a completely biased programme, as they also interviewed plenty of locals, both for and against the fair.

Was a really good programme, kids went to some place in Liverpool where they had a Gypsy archive or something ... have you been ?

I think I saw this a few weeks ago kev. Was it the one where the kids went to the police station to interview the police?

Yeah thats the one.

[Colchester Kev]

Tom, was up all last night with a bitch of a toothache, and was flicking through the tv channels ... I got to "community TV" just as a programme made by Gypsy children was starting ... It was all based on the changing face of the appleby fair.

Lots of interviews with the old 'uns sharing their memories, and it wasn't a completely biased programme, as they also interviewed plenty of locals, both for and against the fair.

Was a really good programme, kids went to some place in Liverpool where they had a Gypsy archive or something ... have you been ?

I think I saw this a few weeks ago kev. Was it the one where the kids went to the police station to interview the police?

Yeah thats the one.

Is it the Gypsy archive in Liverpool tom ... and is it the National office or a regional one ?

[RED-DOG]

Tom, was up all last night with a bitch of a toothache, and was flicking through the tv channels ... I got to "community TV" just as a programme made by Gypsy children was starting ... It was all based on the changing face of the appleby fair.

Lots of interviews with the old 'uns sharing their memories, and it wasn't a completely biased programme, as they also interviewed plenty of locals, both for and against the fair.

Was a really good programme, kids went to some place in Liverpool where they had a Gypsy archive or something ... have you been ?

I think I saw this a few weeks ago kev. Was it the one where the kids went to the police station to interview the police?

Yeah thats the one.

Is it the Gypsy archive in Liverpool tom ... and is it the National office or a regional one ?

Yes. It's the national office, and no, I have never been 

[Karabiner]

Gatso beat me to it well in a way.

My slant is that if absolutely nothing is going on then the concept of time is totally redundant.

According to Hawkins, it was going on, inside a singularity.

This is getting too deep for my limited intellect and I'm not familiar with Mr. Hawkins' oevre.

How about telling us another Tommy Hotdog story while I contemplate my navel ?

And while we're on the subject of your (all too rare these days) stories;)

Are you ever going to finish the story about that gorger who used to fart on your head in retribution for your beating him at snooker Tom ?

[RED-DOG]

Gatso beat me to it well in a way.

My slant is that if absolutely nothing is going on then the concept of time is totally redundant.

According to Hawkins, it was going on, inside a singularity.

This is getting too deep for my limited intellect and I'm not familiar with Mr. Hawkins' oevre.

How about telling us another Tommy Hotdog story while I contemplate my navel ?

And while we're on the subject of your (all too rare these days) stories;)

Are you ever going to finish the story about that gorger who used to fart on your head in retribution for your beating him at snooker Tom ?

Lol, proberly not... but I must finish telling you what I did with my incredible ether powered air rifle one of these days.

[boldie]

Time and space are facets of the same thing. If there was negative time before the big bang then surely there must have been negative space as well - tell me about negative space and what that was like.

 "You tell me about anything from before the Big Bang." is essentially the question you're asking. Even Hawking accepts that he doesn't have an answer to that one.

Why are time and space facets of the same thing (obv the Big Bang theory essentially says that "time is light and therefore time started at the Big Bang". That's when light started after all but that only holds when you say "Time and Light are the same thing" )?

The implication that there was negative time does not at all mean there had to have been negative space. I am not disputing the big bang theory as the start of the universe (if I was the negative space argument might be somewhat relevant) I am saying that time can have existed before the big bang.
Are you saying that when the universe ends (which it inevitably will) "Time as a concept" will end because the lights go out? Or could there be "X amount of time after the end of the universe"?

I will get back on to this one later, have people coming over at 7 and apparently the house needs to be in order.

Add on to this that; If we accept the Big Bang theory and, essentially, Hawking's theory that the universe is living on a curve (Expanding now but will contract again at some stage) then it stands to reason that when the universe keeps contracting the negative energy will build up again, as it has in the past, and then will explode again in a new Big Bang.

This universe might not be the first universe (although it is of course very unlikely that man will ever figure out whether that's true or not, it does stand to reason if you follow Hawking's ideas through). and if this isn't the first one...Time must have existed before and therefore time and light (again different from space as there has always been space however little of it there is, if you follow this through) are actually not linked.

[kinboshi]

Time and space are facets of the same thing. If there was negative time before the big bang then surely there must have been negative space as well - tell me about negative space and what that was like.

 "You tell me about anything from before the Big Bang." is essentially the question you're asking. Even Hawking accepts that he doesn't have an answer to that one.

Why are time and space facets of the same thing (obv the Big Bang theory essentially says that "time is light and therefore time started at the Big Bang". That's when light started after all but that only holds when you say "Time and Light are the same thing" )?

The implication that there was negative time does not at all mean there had to have been negative space. I am not disputing the big bang theory as the start of the universe (if I was the negative space argument might be somewhat relevant) I am saying that time can have existed before the big bang.
Are you saying that when the universe ends (which it inevitably will) "Time as a concept" will end because the lights go out? Or could there be "X amount of time after the end of the universe"?

I will get back on to this one later, have people coming over at 7 and apparently the house needs to be in order.

Add on to this that; If we accept the Big Bang theory and, essentially, Hawking's theory that the universe is living on a curve (Expanding now but will contract again at some stage) then it stands to reason that when the universe keeps contracting the negative energy will build up again, as it has in the past, and then will explode again in a new Big Bang.

This universe might not be the first universe (although it is of course very unlikely that man will ever figure out whether that's true or not, it does stand to reason if you follow Hawking's ideas through). and if this isn't the first one...Time must have existed before and therefore time and light (again different from space as there has always been space however little of it there is, if you follow this through) are actually not linked.

Effectively for everything in the universe, space and time started with the big bang.   If it wasn't the first big bang it doesn't matter (pun intended), as if everything (time, space, matter) was condensed into a singularity then it has no memory of any time before, much like a cassette tape that has been erased.

What is this negative energy you talk about oh bald one?

[Karabiner]

What is this negative energy you talk about oh bald one?

The ability to hijack threads ?

[TheChipPrince]

glad to have you on board tom 'Up the owls'

if u ever wanna visit hillsborough gimme a shout and ill meet ya in tawwwwwwwn before the game.

Will deffo take you up on that.

How did it go Red?

Your thoughts On Wednesday's start to the season?  That Tudgay's some player aint he?

[boldie]

Time and space are facets of the same thing. If there was negative time before the big bang then surely there must have been negative space as well - tell me about negative space and what that was like.

 "You tell me about anything from before the Big Bang." is essentially the question you're asking. Even Hawking accepts that he doesn't have an answer to that one.

Why are time and space facets of the same thing (obv the Big Bang theory essentially says that "time is light and therefore time started at the Big Bang". That's when light started after all but that only holds when you say "Time and Light are the same thing" )?

The implication that there was negative time does not at all mean there had to have been negative space. I am not disputing the big bang theory as the start of the universe (if I was the negative space argument might be somewhat relevant) I am saying that time can have existed before the big bang.
Are you saying that when the universe ends (which it inevitably will) "Time as a concept" will end because the lights go out? Or could there be "X amount of time after the end of the universe"?

I will get back on to this one later, have people coming over at 7 and apparently the house needs to be in order.

Add on to this that; If we accept the Big Bang theory and, essentially, Hawking's theory that the universe is living on a curve (Expanding now but will contract again at some stage) then it stands to reason that when the universe keeps contracting the negative energy will build up again, as it has in the past, and then will explode again in a new Big Bang.

This universe might not be the first universe (although it is of course very unlikely that man will ever figure out whether that's true or not, it does stand to reason if you follow Hawking's ideas through). and if this isn't the first one...Time must have existed before and therefore time and light (again different from space as there has always been space however little of it there is, if you follow this through) are actually not linked.

Effectively for everything in the universe, space and time started with the big bang.   If it wasn't the first big bang it doesn't matter (pun intended), as if everything (time, space, matter) was condensed into a singularity then it has no memory of any time before, much like a cassette tape that has been erased.

What is this negative energy you talk about oh bald one?

Negative gravitational energy mate (sorry, should have put that in)

[kinboshi]

Time and space are facets of the same thing. If there was negative time before the big bang then surely there must have been negative space as well - tell me about negative space and what that was like.

 "You tell me about anything from before the Big Bang." is essentially the question you're asking. Even Hawking accepts that he doesn't have an answer to that one.

Why are time and space facets of the same thing (obv the Big Bang theory essentially says that "time is light and therefore time started at the Big Bang". That's when light started after all but that only holds when you say "Time and Light are the same thing" )?

The implication that there was negative time does not at all mean there had to have been negative space. I am not disputing the big bang theory as the start of the universe (if I was the negative space argument might be somewhat relevant) I am saying that time can have existed before the big bang.
Are you saying that when the universe ends (which it inevitably will) "Time as a concept" will end because the lights go out? Or could there be "X amount of time after the end of the universe"?

I will get back on to this one later, have people coming over at 7 and apparently the house needs to be in order.

Add on to this that; If we accept the Big Bang theory and, essentially, Hawking's theory that the universe is living on a curve (Expanding now but will contract again at some stage) then it stands to reason that when the universe keeps contracting the negative energy will build up again, as it has in the past, and then will explode again in a new Big Bang.

This universe might not be the first universe (although it is of course very unlikely that man will ever figure out whether that's true or not, it does stand to reason if you follow Hawking's ideas through). and if this isn't the first one...Time must have existed before and therefore time and light (again different from space as there has always been space however little of it there is, if you follow this through) are actually not linked.

Effectively for everything in the universe, space and time started with the big bang.   If it wasn't the first big bang it doesn't matter (pun intended), as if everything (time, space, matter) was condensed into a singularity then it has no memory of any time before, much like a cassette tape that has been erased.

What is this negative energy you talk about oh bald one?

Negative gravitational energy mate (sorry, should have put that in)

Link?

[boldie]

http://www.ralentz.com/old/astro/hawking-1.html

A Lecture by Mr Hawking.

[RED-DOG]

Time and space are facets of the same thing. If there was negative time before the big bang then surely there must have been negative space as well - tell me about negative space and what that was like.

 "You tell me about anything from before the Big Bang." is essentially the question you're asking. Even Hawking accepts that he doesn't have an answer to that one.

Why are time and space facets of the same thing (obv the Big Bang theory essentially says that "time is light and therefore time started at the Big Bang". That's when light started after all but that only holds when you say "Time and Light are the same thing" )?

The implication that there was negative time does not at all mean there had to have been negative space. I am not disputing the big bang theory as the start of the universe (if I was the negative space argument might be somewhat relevant) I am saying that time can have existed before the big bang.
Are you saying that when the universe ends (which it inevitably will) "Time as a concept" will end because the lights go out? Or could there be "X amount of time after the end of the universe"?

I will get back on to this one later, have people coming over at 7 and apparently the house needs to be in order.

Add on to this that; If we accept the Big Bang theory and, essentially, Hawking's theory that the universe is living on a curve (Expanding now but will contract again at some stage) then it stands to reason that when the universe keeps contracting the negative energy will build up again, as it has in the past, and then will explode again in a new Big Bang.

This universe might not be the first universe (although it is of course very unlikely that man will ever figure out whether that's true or not, it does stand to reason if you follow Hawking's ideas through). and if this isn't the first one...Time must have existed before and therefore time and light (again different from space as there has always been space however little of it there is, if you follow this through) are actually not linked.

Effectively for everything in the universe, space and time started with the big bang.   If it wasn't the first big bang it doesn't matter (pun intended), as if everything (time, space, matter) was condensed into a singularity then it has no memory of any time before, much like a cassette tape that has been erased.

What is this negative energy you talk about oh bald one?

I think I dispute (Or don't understand) the fact that time would be condensed into a singularity along with light and matter. Why could the singularity not exist for a period of time?