so who is it?

[b4matt]

me and flushing going toe to toe on here isn't rare as we both have strong oppinions and dont tend to mix our words or back down easily. We will still have a pint half shandy and a babysham at the next event and continue to take the piss out of each other though because thats what we have always done and there is never any hard feelings.

gl to sorel and if he breaks rules from now on then sack him plain and simple. The kid is talented and deserves a fair shot imo.

[tikay]

me and flushing going toe to toe on here isn't rare as we both have strong oppinions and dont tend to mix our words or back down easily. We will still have a pint at the next event and continue to take the piss out of each other though because thats what we have always done and there is never any hard feelings.

gl to sorel and if he breaks rules from now on then sack him plain and simple. The kid is talented and deserves a fair shot imo.

Fair comment. But it won't be as easy, or as quick, to repair the damage to Betfair's reputation, methinks.

[Djinn]

I was actually at the press conference in Copenhagen where this was announced, and he was asked directly about this.  He said he had apologised, was still sincerely apologetic and rather hoped to forget about it all... He handled himself really well with the sort of question he was probably dreading - and the PR guy from Betfair said that they were 'looking forward' - which in normal speak means that he's not being rewarded for or in spite of his previous rulebreaking but being taken on for the long term (at least a couple of years) in order to give him a shot at live MTTs which they feel he's going to be good at.  Fair enough.

It's true publicity can come from a sponsored player who's (a) really good (b) really well known/liked or (c) controversial on purpose, but I don't think they were picking (c) here.  At the very worst no one will really care (or people will still dislike the software) - I can't imagine choosing my site on the basis of who their sponsored players are anyway.

[tikay]

I was actually at the press conference in Copenhagen where this was announced, and he was asked directly about this.  He said he had apologised, was still sincerely apologetic and rather hoped to forget about it all... He handled himself really well with the sort of question he was probably dreading - and the PR guy from Betfair said that they were 'looking forward' - which in normal speak means that he's not being rewarded for or in spite of his previous rulebreaking but being taken on for the long term (at least a couple of years) in order to give him a shot at live MTTs which they feel he's going to be good at.  Fair enough.

It's true publicity can come from a sponsored player who's (a) really good (b) really well known/liked or (c) controversial on purpose, but I don't think they were picking (c) here.  At the very worst no one will really care (or people will still dislike the software) - I can't imagine choosing my site on the basis of who their sponsored players are anyway.

But would you choose your site based on your view of the Site's ethicacy, or otherwise?

[redsimon]

I was actually at the press conference in Copenhagen where this was announced, and he was asked directly about this.  He said he had apologised, was still sincerely apologetic and rather hoped to forget about it all... He handled himself really well with the sort of question he was probably dreading - and the PR guy from Betfair said that they were 'looking forward' - which in normal speak means that he's not being rewarded for or in spite of his previous rulebreaking but being taken on for the long term (at least a couple of years) in order to give him a shot at live MTTs which they feel he's going to be good at.  Fair enough.

It's true publicity can come from a sponsored player who's (a) really good (b) really well known/liked or (c) controversial on purpose, but I don't think they were picking (c) here.  At the very worst no one will really care (or people will still dislike the software) - I can't imagine choosing my site on the basis of who their sponsored players are anyway.

But would you choose your site based on your view of the Site's ethicacy, or otherwise?

My choice of site(s) is usually on game availability, bonuses or rakeback, ease of deposit/withdrawal. Who they sponsor is low to next to irrelevant to me, but it must get them new players o/wise why sponsor?

[Colchester Kev]

Honest Kev the Bookmaker .. latest odds.

Ariston backing down and admitting its a poor board level decision by betfair 33/1
Flushy  backing down and admitting Betfairs marketing gurus are geniuses     33/1
Thread degenerating into total farce as Flushy and Ariston will never agree    1/3
an "AMENTS" in more than 4 posts after this one                                       1/9
Ariston vowing never to post on this subject again                                      6/4
Flushy doing the same                                                                             16/1
Ban for Ariston                                                                                        7/1 (subject to change)
Ban for flushy                                                                                         7/1 (as above)
Thread locked as it turns into a flame war                                                  100/1 ( cos that will never happen WILL IT GUYS !!)

All winners paid

[dino1980]

I don't want to open this thread up again but to show how many grey areas there are and as to what is/isn't cheating consider these two cases involving high profile players from the last 12-18 months

1) Timex and Action Jeff purchased a players account late in the Sunday Million on stars back in 2006 (IIRC) I believe - they went on to win - there was nothing in stars' t&c's against this at the time. Because of this incident, there is now. They were not banned, and i imagine timex was also under-aged at the time.

And, concerning the one player to a hand rule - very easy to enforce live, but no so online, so much so that stars, recognised by many as the leading site in terms of customer service etc, don't have it as against their t&c's as it's impossible to enforce. Which leads to...

2) The Plattsburgh incident: Matthew Vengrin, known as Plattsburgh pnline took down and FTOPS event 6 months ago for around $300k. Except not on his own. He happend to be at Turning Stone, with a bunch of other players, who were watching the event and confirmed that the following happened. Online, Matthew is (or was?) staked by Josh 'JJ Prodigy' Fields and from three or so tables out Josh was on the phone to Matt effectively playing the tournament for him, no purchasing of accounts happened but it was clear who was in charge. You may think that makes little diff, but at the FT he played a hand against Mr Menlo (Issac Baron) who actually shared a house who Vengrin during the WSOP, so knows his game well, and if Menlo knew that was JJ and not Plattsburgh playing the hand, the outcome would've been very different. Ditto the tournament.

[SuffolkPunch]

90% of traffic that passes through forums like this does not give a monkeys who this guy is - they have never heard of him or what he is supposed to have done. But the rather regular mentions of a site called Betfair all across the internet will subconsciously be of interest to 0.5 to 1 % of that traffic. That small minority MAY then visit the site, giving Betfair a HUGE PR win. Sorry, but despite what we all think about the ethics of what he has done, Betfair has scored a huge PR victory and fair play to them.

And I work for the opposition!




 

[George2Loose]

I cant believe anyone, whether they're paid by betfair or not is condoning multi accounting.

[SuffolkPunch]

I don't think many on this forum are - but the passing traffic does not even know what multi-accounting is, while all the time Betfair is becoming ingrained in their minds, a bit like one of those subliminal  supermarket messages

[LeKnave]

we need to add some photoshops to this thread

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imo

[JungleCat03]

we need to add some photoshops to this thread

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imo

VVVVVgood A++, thread delivers etc and all that jazz!

Above the rim.

[bobby1]

we need to add some photoshops to this thread

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imo

VVVVVgood A++, thread delivers etc and all that jazz!

Above the rim.

Hold on a minute. Russ's legs arent that thin, I know coz I've seen em and Flushy's tail is much bigger than that too, I know coz....er someone told me.

[ariston]

jungle that is absolute class. Love it lol

[LeKnave]

leknave that is absolute class you are a genius. Love it lol

cough cough