Omaha- Nut flush draw on flop

[Woodsey]

Lost a couple in this situation today, should I fold when raised on the flop? I can't see that flat calling his raise is an option?

PokerStars Game #17227816734:  Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/05/05 - 18:53:43 (ET)
Table 'Hatshepsut II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: KingTutu ($811.60 in chips)
Seat 2: BOOMbaiya! ($206.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Andr4w ($237.30 in chips)
Seat 5: FinDeSiecle ($195 in chips)
Seat 6: velimirovic ($200 in chips)
egordo will be allowed to play after the button
FinDeSiecle: posts small blind $1
velimirovic: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Andr4w [ As]
KingTutu: folds
BOOMbaiya!: raises $2 to $4
Andr4w: raises $11 to $15
FinDeSiecle: folds
velimirovic: folds
BOOMbaiya!: calls $11
*** FLOP *** [ ]
BOOMbaiya!: checks
Andr4w: bets $31.35
BOOMbaiya!: raises $94.05 to $125.40
Andr4w: raises $96.90 to $222.30 and is all-in
BOOMbaiya!: calls $66.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BOOMbaiya!: shows [Ah ] (two pair, Nines and Fives)
Andr4w: mucks hand
BOOMbaiya! collected $414.80 from pot

[doubleup]

Its a push for me to, you can never be in very bad shape here.

[NoflopsHomer]

Yeah, always 11 nut outs, plus you're crushing his draw.

[Sunday8pm]

Completely standard hand, played out like it should be really...

[Woodsey]

Any thoughts from anyone about how an AA hand should be played preflop? I keep doing my nuts by playing them fast Preflop and then potting the flop. I was talking to someone at the weekend who said if you can get 40% in preflop then go for it otherwise play it slower, I don't know where he got the 40% from but what do you guys think?

I also sometimes min reraise preflop to give someone a chance to raise again so I can get a chunk in PF and try to isolate 1 player, which sometimes works but 50% of the time they have AA also.

All ideas appreciated

[ACE2M]

Any thoughts from anyone about how an AA hand should be played preflop? I keep doing my nuts by playing them fast Preflop and then potting the flop. I was talking to someone at the weekend who said if you can get 40% in preflop then go for it otherwise play it slower, I don't know where he got the 40% from but what do you guys think?

I also sometimes min reraise preflop to give someone a chance to raise again so I can get a chunk in PF and try to isolate 1 player, which sometimes works but 50% of the time they have AA also.

All ideas appreciated

Raising and check folding with aces should be fairly routine for you. If it isn't then you are the biggest value at the table. Are you raising enough other hands and whats your ideas for doing it with various different types of hand? What is your standard raise amount pre flop and why? Limping aces should be done fairly regularly if tables are aggro etc. Too many variables to give good answers to your question.

40% is all about easy commitment decisions on the flop.

[NoflopsHomer]

I tend to not raise AA unless the cards with it are decent, such as having at least one suited Ace or are both connected to the A.

[Woodsey]

Any thoughts from anyone about how an AA hand should be played preflop? I keep doing my nuts by playing them fast Preflop and then potting the flop. I was talking to someone at the weekend who said if you can get 40% in preflop then go for it otherwise play it slower, I don't know where he got the 40% from but what do you guys think?

I also sometimes min reraise preflop to give someone a chance to raise again so I can get a chunk in PF and try to isolate 1 player, which sometimes works but 50% of the time they have AA also.

All ideas appreciated

Raising and check folding with aces should be fairly routine for you. If it isn't then you are the biggest value at the table. Are you raising enough other hands and whats your ideas for doing it with various different types of hand? What is your standard raise amount pre flop and why? Limping aces should be done fairly regularly if tables are aggro etc. Too many variables to give good answers to your question.

40% is all about easy commitment decisions on the flop.

I have been experimenting alot with different raising strategies. At the moment I am min raising most of my playable hands rather than limping, I find this is a good pot building strategy and it enables me to have a good chunk of money in on the turn if I have the best hand. It also helps disguise my really big hands. I tend to be more aggro on the button with my raises, following up on the flop with position. Seems to be working so far but early days.

[Woodsey]

Just hand another hand remarkably similar to the one I posted above except I had KK with the K flush draw, guess I did play this one bad without the nut draw? Thoughts?

PokerStars Game #17241577508:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/05/06 - 11:46:54 (ET)
Table 'Rezia' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: sekme ($132.25 in chips)
Seat 2: bahea ($40 in chips)
Seat 3: ttaazzz ($21 in chips)
Seat 4: baaard ($84 in chips)
Seat 5: Andr4w ($68.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Exitlude ($204.60 in chips)
Exitlude: posts small blind $0.50
sekme: posts big blind $1
bahea: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Andr4w [ As ]
bahea: checks
ttaazzz: folds
baaard: raises $3.50 to $4.50
Andr4w: calls $4.50
Exitlude: calls $4
sekme: folds
bahea: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Exitlude: checks
bahea leaves the table
baaard: bets $11
Andr4w: raises $36.75 to $47.75
Exitlude: folds
baaard: raises $31.75 to $79.50 and is all-in
Andr4w: calls $16.60 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
baaard: shows [ Ah ] (a pair of Aces)
Andr4w: mucks hand
baaard collected $141.20 from pot

[Sunday8pm]

I tend to not raise AA unless the cards with it are decent, such as having at least one suited Ace or are both connected to the A.

I play quite similar to this aswell. My general rule is if i can get enough in pre to shove the flop then thats how i will do it. If you are both full stacked in 1-2. and you manage to get $60ish in pre, then i shove any flop, well 95% of flops. I'm not a massive fan of slowplaying AA pre too much though as you have to flop top set to be comfortable and when the ace flops you are not going to get paid by raising hands like KKxx, QQxx, connectors etc. I don't think most people try to bother repping AA too much post flop if they raise pre and miss.

The way to counteract opponents putting you on aces everytime you raise/re raise pre is to do it with shit loads of other hands. EG being Homers other omaha post where he raises with baby connectors.

[Royal Flush]

Just hand another hand remarkably similar to the one I posted above except I had KK with the K flush draw, guess I did play this one bad without the nut draw? Thoughts?

PokerStars Game #17241577508:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/05/06 - 11:46:54 (ET)
Table 'Rezia' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: sekme ($132.25 in chips)
Seat 2: bahea ($40 in chips)
Seat 3: ttaazzz ($21 in chips)
Seat 4: baaard ($84 in chips)
Seat 5: Andr4w ($68.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Exitlude ($204.60 in chips)
Exitlude: posts small blind $0.50
sekme: posts big blind $1
bahea: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Andr4w [ As ]
bahea: checks
ttaazzz: folds
baaard: raises $3.50 to $4.50
Andr4w: calls $4.50
Exitlude: calls $4
sekme: folds
bahea: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Exitlude: checks
bahea leaves the table
baaard: bets $11
Andr4w: raises $36.75 to $47.75
Exitlude: folds
baaard: raises $31.75 to $79.50 and is all-in
Andr4w: calls $16.60 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
baaard: shows [ Ah ] (a pair of Aces)
Andr4w: mucks hand
baaard collected $141.20 from pot

Please re-raise pre!

[ACE2M]

Just hand another hand remarkably similar to the one I posted above except I had KK with the K flush draw, guess I did play this one bad without the nut draw? Thoughts?

PokerStars Game #17241577508:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/05/06 - 11:46:54 (ET)
Table 'Rezia' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: sekme ($132.25 in chips)
Seat 2: bahea ($40 in chips)
Seat 3: ttaazzz ($21 in chips)
Seat 4: baaard ($84 in chips)
Seat 5: Andr4w ($68.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Exitlude ($204.60 in chips)
Exitlude: posts small blind $0.50
sekme: posts big blind $1
bahea: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Andr4w [ As ]
bahea: checks
ttaazzz: folds
baaard: raises $3.50 to $4.50
Andr4w: calls $4.50
Exitlude: calls $4
sekme: folds
bahea: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Exitlude: checks
bahea leaves the table
baaard: bets $11
Andr4w: raises $36.75 to $47.75
Exitlude: folds
baaard: raises $31.75 to $79.50 and is all-in
Andr4w: calls $16.60 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
baaard: shows [ Ah ] (a pair of Aces)
Andr4w: mucks hand
baaard collected $141.20 from pot

Please re-raise pre!

seconded