£50 rebuy at Luton last night

[celtic]

ok thanks so far.

Turn comes a 

so board now reads   

He bets the pot.

Now what? I have the feeling he's missed and is representing a blinds type hand. I don't think he has anything but I don't know how I know that and obv could be wrong but gut instinct says he has nothing.

You answer your own question here...... All in on the turn.

[AlexMartin]

yeah, sucks when he has 77 though/

[Royal Flush]

Raise less pre, 600 is what i would make it.

If you have a resonably agg image and he is similar then i am betting to induce on the flop so something like 800.

As played fispump jam the turn, you are only behind here if he is a really bad player.

What does that mean please?

Means punch the air and celebrate as you shove the rest of your chips into this ridic high EV spot.

[totalise]

Raise less pre, 600 is what i would make it.

If you have a resonably agg image and he is similar then i am betting to induce on the flop so something like 800.

As played fispump jam the turn, you are only behind here if he is a really bad player.

What does that mean please?

Means punch the air and celebrate as you shove the rest of your chips into this ridic high EV spot.




why is shipping the turn better then calling the turn?

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Dingdell

If he were to come over the top what info have I gained? I could still be ahead but folding to an all in raise.

You say that you probably should c-bet but you are concerned he might come over the top. So your doubt prevents you making the play you think is correct. The reality is that an opponent coming over the top of the pre-flop raiser is a big, risky move and as such is the most unlikely scenario. Certainly less likely than your doubt suggests it is, and especially because the board doesn't have any drawing interest.

Tournament poker is a lot about exposing doubt in your opponents, so if he does come over the top he may get you to fold the best hand by exposing YOUR doubt, but fair play to him. Much better for you to pressure HIS doubt by c-betting and putting HIM in the quandary of whether to make this big move than to check and let him off, just in case he does. You gain much better information about how he wants to play the hand out this way. If you check you are basically just inviting him to bet the turn and he could do this with any hand. He may badly want to raise you, but thinking it and doing it are two different things entirely.

Posted by: Dingdell

On reflection I think I'm agreeing with everything you are saying here - can you just expand on this point please as I'm not sure what you mean by that. Tnx

If you have won a number of recent pots off this guy without showing you can't raise him off this one as well can you? How can you have yet another hand? He must surely suspect you're not that strong AGAIN. So he must come over the top this time, right? I find a number of players, particularly female, think this way because they are a little less ruthless than men. The fact that you've hammered this guy a bit means that you are more wary about being caught this time, and this doubt leads you through the hand more than it should. Bugger this guy. If he wants to call one of Dingdell's raises then he should expect pain right? Don't disappoint him.

Unless you fold the turn Trace, you will be putting in much more than the 800 chips a c-bet would have cost you, so avoiding it is more dangerous than embracing it.

[Dingdell]

Posted by: Dingdell

If he were to come over the top what info have I gained? I could still be ahead but folding to an all in raise.

You say that you probably should c-bet but you are concerned he might come over the top. So your doubt prevents you making the play you think is correct. The reality is that an opponent coming over the top of the pre-flop raiser is a big, risky move and as such is the most unlikely scenario. Certainly less likely than your doubt suggests it is, and especially because the board doesn't have any drawing interest.

Tournament poker is a lot about exposing doubt in your opponents, so if he does come over the top he may get you to fold the best hand by exposing YOUR doubt, but fair play to him. Much better for you to pressure HIS doubt by c-betting and putting HIM in the quandary of whether to make this big move than to check and let him off, just in case he does. You gain much better information about how he wants to play the hand out this way. If you check you are basically just inviting him to bet the turn and he could do this with any hand. He may badly want to raise you, but thinking it and doing it are two different things entirely.

Posted by: Dingdell

On reflection I think I'm agreeing with everything you are saying here - can you just expand on this point please as I'm not sure what you mean by that. Tnx

If you have won a number of recent pots off this guy without showing you can't raise him off this one as well can you? How can you have yet another hand? He must surely suspect you're not that strong AGAIN. So he must come over the top this time, right? I find a number of players, particularly female, think this way because they are a little less ruthless than men. The fact that you've hammered this guy a bit means that you are more wary about being caught this time, and this doubt leads you through the hand more than it should. Bugger this guy. If he wants to call one of Dingdell's raises then he should expect pain right? Don't disappoint him.
Unless you fold the turn Trace, you will be putting in much more than the 800 chips a c-bet would have cost you, so avoiding it is more dangerous than embracing it.

Yeehah!! That's exactly what I was thinking - I have folded hands early doors even if they are good raising hands just because I've been hammering the table and worried I might not get that one through....amazing insight - thank you.

[EvilPie]

If he's got a good hand here then he checks again to give the original raiser one more chance to bet out. He's got no reason to bet the 2 other than to buy the pot or if he's very good to make it look like he's trying to buy the pot.

I don't like to c bet the flop here. Your hand isn't strong enough to fight back if he raises and the c bet is so predictable he might raise you if he's seen weakness in you previously.

Checking the flop and then jamming to his bet on the turn looks really strong. He's bet the turn trying to take the pot down because you looked weak on the flop. Raise him all in and he folds like a baby and you get to smile smuggly to yourself.

You definitely can't call here because he will put you all in on the river and then you're screwed.

[boldie]

Checking the flop and then jamming to his bet on the turn looks really strong. He's bet the turn trying to take the pot down because you looked weak on the flop. Raise him all in and he folds like a baby and you get to smile smuggly to yourself.

You definitely can't call here bacause he will put you all in on the river and then you're screwed.

the man, and Flushy, said it. As played the chips go in.

[Dingdell]

ok thanks so far.

Turn comes a 

so board now reads   

He bets the pot.

Now what? I have the feeling he's missed and is representing a blinds type hand. I don't think he has anything but I don't know how I know that and obv could be wrong but gut instinct says he has nothing.

I figure I am ahead - I don't think the 2 has helped - my thought process is if I fold I'm having to grind - and if I won I'm above avergae chips.

I decided to push all in. Delighted that there is no instacall. He dwells for some time and then calls my all in with .

River card is   - happy days.

Thanks for the advice guys - really helpful - I'm off to practice...

[EvilPie]

I figure I am ahead - I don't think the 2 has helped - my thought process is if I fold I'm having to grind - and if I won I'm above avergae chips.

I used to be a grinder until Flushy took the piss out of me a few times when I posted. I took the advice on board and now know that what you have done here is the only way to play.

To quote one of his comments "I thought the idea was to get all of the chips"

He's right! Well played Dingdell 

EDIT: I haven't won anything since but at least I get to be CL more often now

[boldie]

Well played indeed.

[the sicilian]

NIce play tracey

[Matt50]

Tracey, it is nice to see that you are looking to analyze a hand that you won.  Too many people win a hand and think that they played it right every time.
Good players dont only analyze the hands they lost but also the ones that they won.

Well played on the turn.

[action man]

I had about 4500 and he covered me - he had over 10k

alot ofpeople wont agree with me but i can find an argument for just jamming here

[action man]

You must continue here to define your hand..you have position and are the orignal aggressor and will take the pot down there and then a lot of the time.

His action after the continuation will give u massive information about his hand.

The turn bet makes no sense and is nearly always a stab because u showed weakness on the flop. If he has a 2 the bet is too big and likely to frighten u away .

im probably moving in...if he has it all well and good....with luton standard at the mo he prob called u out of position with a rag ace or KJ...

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