speech play ? CHEATING / STROKING / JUST SHOULD NOT BE DONE?

[Newmanseye]

So at the card game tonight & i am UTG with  , I Limp in with the BB player a known tight player who rarely gets involved without the goods. I make a statement of " notice I limped UTG you know what that means!!!" general banter tbh

Folds round to the small blind who makes it up, BB checks and we get  . blinds are 300 / 600 BTW

All check and a  on the turn, check from the SB, BB bets 1200 in to a 1800 pot, I give it the " thats unreal!, do you have a jack? " to our tight friend in the BB

SB folds.

River is 

Now to tell you when I think i am at here, I know this chap bets with the goods & i think he either has a 10 or an Ace.

he bets 2500...

I now give it my best Paul Newman impression, big proper acting jobbie & follow it up with " thats so sick if you have a Jack"  I pause for a few more seconds & say "OK OK "

He the asks " what does that mean?"

I reply  "it means i need more time..."

A few more seconds pass and i declare I don't believe him and raise it up to 5000 more  on top of his 2500.


He contemplates a reraise and thinks the better and flat calls..

I flip over my jack as he shows his 10.



Now the interesting part is now. He the accuses me of cheating... I am astonished!  TBH i am thinking i worked for the call and the extra chips, i did not get unfriendly or do the whole Tony G thing, I simply pretended not to have a jack to induce the betting and get a call.



So was it cheating/Stroking or just normal speech play you would find in most card rooms?

[totalise]

sounds like you tried your best to tell him that you had the Jack... he should have been grateful... and no, its not cheating.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

sounds like you tried your best to tell him that you had the Jack... he should have been grateful... and no, its not cheating.

 

[Bainn]

Cheating ? ! ? No.

Purely part of the game Squire.

[Dry em]

sounds like you tried your best to tell him that you had the Jack... he should have been grateful... and no, its not cheating.

[suzanne]

Make sure you drop your manbag in the path of his walk of shame...or stick a foot out :-)

[AlexMartin]

sounds like you tried your best to tell him that you had the Jack... he should have been grateful... and no, its not cheating.

lol, why do i never get given get out of jail free cards. what cardroom was this again.........

[ariston]

anyone who falls for such an obvious moody deserves to lose his chips. feel free to try those antics against any half decent player and you will cost yourself chips as they will see right through it.

[boldie]

sounds like you tried your best to tell him that you had the Jack... he should have been grateful... and no, its not cheating.

what they said...Keep your mouth shut next time mate...no decent player will believe you.

[DaveShoelace]

You were lucky he clearly hasnt seen the opening scene of rounders

[bhoywonder]

I,ve seen u play billy,ur quite a verbal player.this was a while ago,of course.i thought at the time,u were trying 2 manipulate the players 2 ur want.but it was 2 ur detriment on a few occasions.do u think speechplay is an integral part of ur game?do u think you can get the same results by keeping quiet.its not a criticism.its great to watch a good player use speech to induce a call bluff.i personally keep quiet during a hand.ive found that talking makes me  more of a target which doesnt really suit my game.

[owen1923]

Not cheating.

But as has been said already, an average player would see right through it.

Got to admit I have not seen any display of speech play which could be described as effective.  For the most part these displays are simply cringe inducing.

[kinboshi]

Not cheating.

But as has been said already, an average player would see right through it.

Got to admit I have not seen any display of speech play which could be described as effective.  For the most part these displays are simply cringe inducing.

You've never played against Roberto Romanello then?

[boldie]

Not cheating.

But as has been said already, an average player would see right through it.

Got to admit I have not seen any display of speech play which could be described as effective.  For the most part these displays are simply cringe inducing.

I give you...Paul Parker..the man talks to you in a friendly way and you don't even realise he's taking your chips.

[AlexMartin]

Not cheating.

But as has been said already, an average player would see right through it.

Got to admit I have not seen any display of speech play which could be described as effective.  For the most part these displays are simply cringe inducing.

You've never played against Roberto Romanello then?

lol, but Robbie does exactly the same thing, its just he hasnt looked at his cards yet.