A DOG'S LIFE

[TightEnd]

There are arguments both ways

I don't like giving him a free card...you check, he checks...great you think, I'm ahead, I'll value bet the river

only the river may be any overcard that gives him higher trips


Surely the way to minimise the swings caused by being outdrawn is to bet here?

[The Baron]

True but if he has the overpair he's likely to see the river anywayz.

[Wardonkey]

I don't understand the need to 'find out where you are'. It is unlikely that he has raised pre-flop with junk and hit a srtaight. If that is what has happened then he is getting your whole stack anyway. More than likely you are a mile in front and he has 2 outs, so giving a free card is not that risky. That said if he does have an over pair and you put a substanial bet in now then any re-raise from him will commit him to the pot, which is exactly what you want. BET!

[The Baron]

He may have 55. He may have raised with suited connectors. My biggest pots always come breaking big hands with suited connectors. I raise with them quite a bit in the right position.

I agree that giving the free card isn't too risky though hence why I say check. If he checks behind it's no real loss and you know where you are.

[Wardonkey]

If I am beat then I am losing my whole stack here. Bet, get as many chips as you can in now, if he has the straight then you still have outs.

[Newportlad]

I agree with Wardonkey.

You are miles in front here as you have the top set.  I cant see your opponent putting in a big preflop raise with 55.  If he has a 5 with anything else then he is very lucky to hit the straight.  Even so, you can still make a full house.
I think your opponent has AA/KK.  If he has a higher set, then he should have reraised after the flop to find out where he was.  Its unlikely (though possible) that he has AK and is trying to hit on the river.

I agree that a 3/4 pot bet is the right move here.

[Wardonkey]

Hey Snoopy,

Put us out of our misery, how does this bad-beat story end?

[snoopy1239]

Soz all. Was at Luton and so unable to respond to these messages.

Okay, I won't satisfy curiosities just yet, but, for the time being, I can tell you what happened on the river.

Tell me what you think? Many different approaches to this hand.


$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 30, 15:07:32 EDT 2005

Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10

Seat 4: snoopy1239 ( $198.90 )
Seat 10: hugefeet ( $189 )

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to snoopy1239 [  ]

JaimiHois folds.
snoopy1239 calls [$2].
Mickland checks.
cheqrazer calls [$2].
walkingdeuce folds.
Markoolio123 folds.
mm44878 checks.

hugefeet raises [$12].
hanno333 folds.
blaidan2 folds.

snoopy1239 calls [$10].
Mickland folds.
cheqrazer folds.
mm44878 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]


snoopy1239 bets [$20].
hugefeet calls [$20].

** Dealing Turn ** [ ]


snoopy1239 bets [$40].
hugefeet calls [$40].

** Dealing River ** [ ]



Board =         


Right, what now?

[The Baron]

I'm not a fan of the information you have here.

Realistically you dont know at this point if he has an overpair, trips or was drawing with a 5.

You dont know where you are, so I would check - call.

[Wardonkey]

I'm all-in.

[snoopy1239]

I'm all-in.

Talk about contrasting views. Blimey! 

Why all-in?

Not saying it's a bad move or anything, just curious.

[redsimon]

Allin? I think he is unlikely to have 55 or 99 so get his $? It will look like you're on a busted spade draw?

[Wardonkey]

You're going to call if he bets, so your better off getting your money in first. If he has you beat then so be it. If he has an overpair then he will probably just check behind you if you check,but may well call your bet.

The times that you lose here, you lose all or most of your chips. Make sure you get the max the times that you win, which will be most of the time.

[snoopy1239]

You're going to call if he bets, so your better off getting your money in first. If he has you beat then so be it. If he has an overpair then he will probably just check behind you if you check,but may well call your bet.

The times that you lose here, you lose all or most of your chips. Make sure you get the max the times that you win, which will be most of the time.

Okay, so let's say you're hoping he has an overpair.

Should we bet, say, half the pot so we don't scare him off or do you think he'll call an all-in anyhow?

[Wardonkey]

An all-in is a pot-sized bet, not a colossal over-bet. I think if he's willing to call your 1/2 pot bet he's going to call the all-in. The all-in may even be interpreted as weaker.