It's that time of year again: Holidayo ergo crash dieto

[kinboshi]

i dunno wtf speed has got to do with it if they both burn up the same calories per day? anyway your theory has pretty much been debunked now, believe what you will

Eh?  Debunked where, by whom?

I was saying if two people absorb 2000 calories in a day, and someone burns up 1500, and someone else burns up 2500 in the same period then one has a an excess of 500 and the other a deficit.  That's what I meant by speed.



(edit: I see Swordfish asked the same question before I did)

[byronkincaid]

you have watched the video?

[kinboshi]

you have watched the video?

All two hours of it?  Do have a written version that I can scan and read the pertinent details.

If it's talking about the body being able to burn different fuels at different rates, then I agree.  Just to clarify - I didn't say how many calories you 'eat' that's the factor.  It's how many calories you 'absorb' in relation to how many you burn. 

Some foods that have a high calorific content are easier for the body to turn into useful energy, i.e. fuel. 

The calories in/calories out diet might not work for people because they can't stick to it long-term - but basic physics shows that if you add more fuel than you burn, some will have to be stored.

[byronkincaid]

taubes wrote this article and then went away for 4 or 5 years researching his book about it. this is only one small part of a hugely complicated subject. debunk was the wrong word. oversimplified is what i mean.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B63&sec=health


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Calories-Bad-Challenging-Conventional/dp/1400040787/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215027101&sr=1-1

[Swordpoker]

taubes wrote this article and then went away for 4 or 5 years researching his book about it. this is only one small part of a hugely complicated subject. debunk was the wrong word. oversimplified is what i mean.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B63&sec=health


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Calories-Bad-Challenging-Conventional/dp/1400040787/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215027101&sr=1-1

This is an article on the effects of eating fat and challenges 'old concepts' such as " if you eat a lot of fat you'll get fat.

Wayyyy off topic imo.

[byronkincaid]

taubes wrote this article and then went away for 4 or 5 years researching his book about it. this is only one small part of a hugely complicated subject. debunk was the wrong word. oversimplified is what i mean.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B63&sec=health


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Calories-Bad-Challenging-Conventional/dp/1400040787/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215027101&sr=1-1

This is an article on the effects of eating fat and challenges 'old concepts' such as " if you eat a lot of fat you'll get fat.

Wayyyy off topic imo.

just eating small amounts of normal food and about 1400 of those rice disc things

[kinboshi]

I don't dispute that there are 'good' and 'bad' calories.

If someone is overweight and are attempting to lose weight (in a shorter period than they put it on), they can do far more than just monitor the calories in and calories out.  Avoiding saturated fats, 'empty' calories, etc.

Eating the right diet can help speed up the metabolism, etc.  But fundamentally, over a long period of time, if you absorb fewer calories than you burn - you will lose weight.


Of course a balanced diet is much more than that.  I don't need to watch my weight, but I do watch what I eat.  I avoid saturated fats on the whole, and try to eat a healthy diet.  This is because my dad suffered from heart disease and needed a quadruple bypass to save his life.  He was slim, tea-total and gave up smoking ages ago.  Genetically, I'm at risk from heart disease and so it doesn't matter if I'm fat or not.

[kinboshi]

taubes wrote this article and then went away for 4 or 5 years researching his book about it. this is only one small part of a hugely complicated subject. debunk was the wrong word. oversimplified is what i mean.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B63&sec=health


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Calories-Bad-Challenging-Conventional/dp/1400040787/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215027101&sr=1-1

This is an article on the effects of eating fat and challenges 'old concepts' such as " if you eat a lot of fat you'll get fat.

Wayyyy off topic imo.

just eating small amounts of normal food and about 1400 of those rice disc things

There's more than one way to absorb too many calories (i.e. more than you burn).  It's easier to do it with fatty food, eaten in a combination of simple and complex carbs.  But you can also do it on just carbs or just fats. 

[Swordpoker]

taubes wrote this article and then went away for 4 or 5 years researching his book about it. this is only one small part of a hugely complicated subject. debunk was the wrong word. oversimplified is what i mean.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B63&sec=health


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Calories-Bad-Challenging-Conventional/dp/1400040787/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215027101&sr=1-1

This is an article on the effects of eating fat and challenges 'old concepts' such as " if you eat a lot of fat you'll get fat.

Wayyyy off topic imo.

just eating small amounts of normal food and about 1400 of those rice disc things

Fair enough.

[gatso]

mr swordpoker sir, can you mess with people's minds so that they lose weight?

[technolog]

Haven't you heard - fat people have big bones.

True. My arse bone is a hell of a size.




















© Billy Connolly 1999

[Swordpoker]

mr swordpoker sir, can you mess with people's minds so that they lose weight?

Yep, I assist on Paul McKenna's weight loss seminars from time to time.

[gatso]

mr swordpoker sir, can you mess with people's minds so that they lose weight?

Yep, I assist on Paul McKenna's weight loss seminars from time to time.

cool. and what's the idea? to program people to eat less? or eat better? or something else?

[kinboshi]

mr swordpoker sir, can you mess with people's minds so that they lose weight?

Yep, I assist on Paul McKenna's weight loss seminars from time to time.

cool. and what's the idea? to program people to eat less? or eat better? or something else?

Look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around the eyes, look into my eyes. <click> You're under!

Now, what are your bank account details?


(Similar to the gatso/boldie/bolt operation, but much more sophisticated and classy)

[Swordpoker]

mr swordpoker sir, can you mess with people's minds so that they lose weight?

Yep, I assist on Paul McKenna's weight loss seminars from time to time.

cool. and what's the idea? to program people to eat less? or eat better? or something else?

Yes to all 3. The main concept is pretty simple. Take 'naturally' thin people and find out all their unconscious strategies (which they usually aren't aware of) and install these strategies into people who want to be thin.

For example, a 'naturally' thin person may only eat when they have a feeling of hunger whereas a particular overweight might eat to fulfill a need for comfort. We find ways for them to get comfort other than eating and install some conditioning so that they only eat when they are hungry.

Because there is no dieting involved, it's completely effortless.