KK Conundrum

[TightEnd]

result of this is elsewhere on the forum...but its interesting

blonde player in the event at the weekend

10,000 starting..40 min clock

opponents unknown

first orbit, blinds 25-50

EP makes it 200

blonde makes it 600 with 

LP flat calls 600

EP makes it 2400

blonde flats

LP flats

flop 

EP pushes in


thoughts on play pre-flop, the decision now and alternatives please

[mondatoo]

Thanks for posting this tighty.With only a 1/4 of my stack committed here i would seriously condsider folding here.The reason i'd fold is i just don't think he could have any other hand here than aces,would he seriously 4bet it with ak/aq or even qq this early on in the tourney.Also imo i don't like how the guy who pushes plays this at all if he does have aces i don't see why he'd make that play with the nuts(i say nuts as surely nobody could still be in the hand with j10) and i would have probably bet it but not as much.

[celtic]

there isnt any chance of me folding this on the flop. If u thought he could have AA pre then you should fold then, not wait til he hits a set ( and you do) and then fold. Instacall, you'll always have a great story to tell the grandkids if he turns over AA.

[mondatoo]

there isnt any chance of me folding this on the flop. If u thought he could have AA pre then you should fold then, not wait til he hits a set ( and you do) and then fold. Instacall, you'll always have a great story to tell the grandkids if he turns over AA.

What hand are you putting him on to make ths play though celtic.I'm not sure i would fold pre (cause i'm not good enough lol) but i do think i can fold here with all my chips at risk so early on.I would possibly re min raise pre if he calls i no he has aces and i ain't putting anymore in unless i hit my trips (without an ace on the board .Would nobody else consider a rr pre flat calling seems not the best way to play with this structure imo if board comes low you're not getting away from it this way you lose 4k or you dbl up.

[The_nun]

No history..

Possible AK

or maybe qq.

I am not folding.

200 raise in early, hmm, stinks of jj qq AK. but then that is why i am crap online recently

[DUNK619]

No history..

Possible AK

or maybe qq.

I am not folding.

ldo u cant fold top pair never mind a set lol

[TightEnd]

Post flop its going in..AA,AK,QQ the range of EP

Pre-flop action probably takes QQ out.

Pre flop its slightly more debateable than post I think.

[gatso]

I'm going broke 100% of the time here.

I also like AA players shove on the flop here. PF action suggests at least 1 opponent has KK, AK, AQ and it's likely these holdings stack off here

[celtic]

what all the above say really. been trying to type it for 10 mins but basically he could have ak, aq, QQ and i just cant find a fold on the flop.

As for pre-flop i would rather fold than call the extra 1800 and be faced with a decision on a 10 high flop where i felt i could be behind anyway. hope that makes sense.

[mondatoo]

No history..

Possible AK

or maybe qq.

I am not folding.

200 raise in early, hmm, stinks of jj qq AK. but then that is why i am crap online recently

How much do you think he should raise to with AA ?

[mondatoo]

Although we no nothing of any opps as of yet do we really give him a 4bet range of ak/aq/qq so early on a just don't see him doing this with those hands.

As i said i don't think i'm folding pre but i don't like flat calling it either.

[Graham C]

Is there really a need to get involved as it's played out?  Someone's raised 12xBB then a reraise to 2400? It's only 25/50 - surely one of them has to have aces, I can't see any other reason for it to play out like that preflop during the first level.  Even if you are leading, it's not worth the risk, if the guys are willing to get it in this early without aces, then they'll give you their chips later on in better spots.

That said, as it's been played, I would have called preflop and gone busto on the flop, I probably wouldn't have gotten away from it either. I'd like to think I'd have thought like above, but I think that I'd have gone here too.

[celtic]

No history..

Possible AK

or maybe qq.

I am not folding.

200 raise in early, hmm, stinks of jj qq AK. but then that is why i am crap online recently

How much do you think he should raise to with AA ?

200 is fine imo.

[gatso]

Is there really a need to get involved as it's played out?  Someone's raised 12xBB then a reraise to 2400? It's only 25/50 - surely one of them has to have aces

one of those 2 people is our hero

[Graham C]

Oops, my bad.  There's still a caller of the 12xBB and then a reraise, that's a big commitment.