K-K facing a shove

[WarBwastard]

This is from a 16 handed £50 freeze-out - players start with 7,500

Nine players left.  Blinds 200-400 no antes. (blinds are 30 minutes)

UTG has -Kd (stack of approximately 12,000) - raises to 1,300

Middle position call, button call and small-blind call.  (5,600 in the pot)

Flop - 9clubs - 9spades - 10spades.

Small blind goes all-in for 10,700

What does the UTG put the small-blind on and what does he do with his pocket kings?

[ZZZZZZZROPE]

call

[Longy]

Call call, i has an overpair.

Well the sb range is made up of a various hands, 10x,9x, spade flush draws, qj, 87 and a very small amount of the time a ridic bluff. We only lose to 9x at the moment.

[WarBwastard]

What about the two others guys to act after the UTG player?

[Longy]

What about the two others guys to act after the UTG player?

They don't have a nine often enough to make folding kk correct here, if they do have one its a cooler.

[MC]

Unlikely he wouldn't slow play a 9 here so we have to assume a ten or a flush draw or even an up and down draw...

Definite call,

Like longy says the other two can't have a 9 that often so you have to call.

Just hope no one has !

[Laxie]

Somewhere on here I remember reading  - to slow play a hand like that (hit trips with yer 9) is old news and we should be betting out the hand because nobody will believe we have it anyway.  I'm betting someone called with A9 sooooted, got lucky and is about to own KK's chips.  But then, that's been my luck lately.   

[boldie]

to slow play a hand like that (hit trips with yer 9) is old news and we should be betting out the hand because nobody will believe we have it anyway. 

+1, it is by far the best move in the world.

you can't fold KK but you can't complain about getting pwned by someoen with a 9 either

[MANTIS01]

The fact UTG raises to 1,300 pre makes someone holding a 9 very unlikely imo. The 9-9-10 flop confirms nobody has a 9.

[TheChipPrince]

The fact UTG raises to 1,300 pre makes someone holding a 9 very unlikely imo. The 9-9-10 flop confirms nobody has a 9.

Mantis in ''not overcomplicating an analysis'' shocker, read all about it, read all about it...

[boldie]

The fact UTG raises to 1,300 pre makes someone holding a 9 very unlikely imo. The 9-9-10 flop confirms nobody has a 9.

Mantis in ''not overcomplicating an analysis'' shocker, read all about it, read all about it...

I'll sort that;

Why Mantis? You have no info on the types of player at this table so why can't SB have 89 suited?

[Laxie]

If we're going to assume nobody has a 9 because 2 of them landed on the flop, then it's an insta call.  Just cross yer fingers you're not walking into 10 10 - which would be more likely to slow play at this stage, so not likely. 

I don't think it's unlikely to think the SB has a 9 though.  Some people refuse to let their blinds go to a raise (regardless of holdings) and would even consider themselves 'priced in' to make the pre flop call. 

[snoopy1239]

Forget the hand, how did you fit 16 players around a table?!

[MANTIS01]

See, simple is no good

It is true that the sb could have a 9. That is possible. But calling the UTG raise, the 2 9's on board, and the shove is sufficient evidence that he does not have one. I think betting out with the 9 is a very good play in a lot of situations. With this flop/situation though there is little chance it's going to be checked round by 4 players. If you're pretty sure action is going to happen I don't see the purpose in shoving for 10k with a 9. The c-r all-in, while a more traditional strat, just works much better here imo. A sb check will give the best chance of action vs a shove, and the c-r all-in will look like a draw and get any genuine hand calling anyway. So the argument that your 9 is disguised more if you shove loses merit here because your hand will be disguised anyway. Also any decent c-bet probably pot-commits a genuine hand to your 10k c-r all-in. Would we fold Kings to a sb c-r all-in on this flop if we had to call say 6k into a 20k pot after c-betting 4k? Pushing only gets hands like A-k folding and that makes no sense.

More concerned that a 9 will appear round the back. But can that fear stop you pushing? No. So I think it's best to just say no 9's are out and play accordingly. I would say 10's & particularly draws fit the sb's play much better because if we agree the FE in c-raising 10k is minimal then pushing is the only chance a drawing hand gets to take the pot without showdown.

All this means that the sb categorically has a 9 by the way.

[Suited_Jock]

Forget the hand, how did you fit 16 players around a table?!

lmao good spot