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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2008, 06:32:40 PM »

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    Why re-raise/squeeze with ak then fold to an all in shove? You would be better off re raising the guy with any two cards if you are gona fold to his shove imo, you are basically turning your hand into a bluff.

If you are playing this deep and with such a strong hand u should be looking to flat call and play a flop or if you are going to re raise the guy have an idea of what you are going to do if he shoves.

Also what position where u in? Where u  in position or was it from the blinds?

I would call here in your position are you not also getting under 2.5 to 1 on the call? If u win u are in good shape for rest of tournie?

It was not a squeeze, I had a very strong hand. I raised to isolate one of the original raisers who I would've snap called if they had shoved.

If I flat call to play a flop I probably price in one or even 2 more then my hand definitely might as well be 7 2.

Position doesn't matter, it was an all in call.

Calling one of the initial raisers is vastly different to calling a 5 better who wasn't bothered about the initial raisers or more importantly my re raise.

It's 18000 to call for a pot of about 27000. That is not 2.5 to 1 and even if it was I might be needing to hit runner runner kings or 1 of 3 aces.

Thank you for making me explain this and convince myself that I was right.
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2008, 06:35:33 PM »

4200 + 3100 = 8300

BoB?


It's Ireland, if you don't want to get it in pre with Ace high stay in England.
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2008, 06:36:30 PM »

if one of your mates was knocked out and wanting a drinking buddy, call. if they are all still in fold. In this comp, its as simple as that imo

This was also a factor in my decision. A couple had been knocked out but it was still early and the real heavy drinkers were still in.

I think this is what made me think about it for so long  Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2008, 06:42:12 PM »

4200 + 3100 = 8300

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It's Ireland, if you don't want to get it in pre with Ace high stay in England.

I did when I first raised. I just didn't want to get it in quite so much when my nice confident reraise got thrown straight back in my face.

My stack was a factor. If I had a lot less I obviously call, a lot more I obviously call. I was right on the amount where I could comfortably fold and still be 45 bbs deep.

It's bothered me a bit tbh. Can I possibly be 50 50 here? at best I'm surely up against JJ / QQ no matter what the comp is?
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2008, 06:46:13 PM »


What's BoB mean? Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2008, 06:50:52 PM »

4200 + 3100 = 8300

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It's Ireland, if you don't want to get it in pre with Ace high stay in England.

I did when I first raised. I just didn't want to get it in quite so much when my nice confident reraise got thrown straight back in my face.

My stack was a factor. If I had a lot less I obviously call, a lot more I obviously call. I was right on the amount where I could comfortably fold and still be 45 bbs deep.

It's bothered me a bit tbh. Can I possibly be 50 50 here? at best I'm surely up against JJ / QQ no matter what the comp is?

You played much in Ireland?

And the re-raise was back in your EYE not face, sigh
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2008, 06:58:12 PM »

4200 + 3100 = 8300

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It's Ireland, if you don't want to get it in pre with Ace high stay in England.

I did when I first raised. I just didn't want to get it in quite so much when my nice confident reraise got thrown straight back in my face.

My stack was a factor. If I had a lot less I obviously call, a lot more I obviously call. I was right on the amount where I could comfortably fold and still be 45 bbs deep.

It's bothered me a bit tbh. Can I possibly be 50 50 here? at best I'm surely up against JJ / QQ no matter what the comp is?

You played much in Ireland?

And the re-raise was back in your EYE not face, sigh

No. Are you saying he probably had AQ and threw it with pinpoint accuracy in to my eye.

I didn't realise demographics were so important when taking 5 bet shoves in to consideration.

Oh man I've gone and blown it!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2008, 07:01:36 PM »

Personally, as a standard rule of thumb, I don't fold AK in tournaments in a heads-up pot.

So I call here...
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2008, 10:14:12 PM »

Personally, as a standard rule of thumb, I don't fold AK in tournaments in a heads-up pot.

So I call here...

It's the first time I've ever laid it down heads up pre flop.

But saying that I don't think I've ever had it 5 bet before either. (Live obv.)
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2008, 10:32:18 PM »


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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2008, 12:12:35 AM »

Personally, as a standard rule of thumb, I don't fold AK in tournaments in a heads-up pot.

So I call here...

It's the first time I've ever laid it down heads up pre flop.

But saying that I don't think I've ever had it 5 bet before either. (Live obv.)

Matt, how many times are you going to say 5 bet in this thread before someone points out that there was no 5 bet involved? I think we're at 3 so far
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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2008, 02:01:23 AM »

Personally, as a standard rule of thumb, I don't fold AK in tournaments in a heads-up pot.

So I call here...

It's the first time I've ever laid it down heads up pre flop.

But saying that I don't think I've ever had it 5 bet before either. (Live obv.)

Matt, how many times are you going to say 5 bet in this thread before someone points out that there was no 5 bet involved? I think we're at 3 so far

It was a cold 4bet, technically.
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2008, 04:16:48 AM »

meh, the 3b size is bad if ur folding to anyone on the table's shove.
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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2008, 07:44:07 AM »

meh, the 3b size is bad if ur folding to anyone on the table's shove.

Even if it's a 5 bet?

 
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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2008, 07:48:24 AM »

meh, the 3b size is bad if ur folding to anyone on the table's shove.

So is there ever a situation where you lay down AK?

Or do you just flat call here to allow yourself the opportunity to get away?

I know what you're saying but if you've been shown this much strength surely AK has to be behind.
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