couple of fun ones from fannit

[easypickings]

One hand one, I'm not saying we should be worried that he definitely has aces, but we should definitely be very aware of the possbility.

I mean, what other hands do we think he's 4-betting us with? These GUPKTs are normally played pretty standardly, especially when it comes to 4-betting preflop. It sounds like the villian is a good, aggressive player, but not that he is crazy, andnot that there is alot of history involved.

Most people wouldn't 4-bet ace-king in this spot, and some wouldn't 4-bet queens. So, aces makes up a pretty good part of his range, doesn't it? I don't agree with folding, as he have the odds to hit a set, even if we were sure he has aces.

Calling will give us a big extra clue, from his bet-size on the flop, especially if it comes dry like 732. If he comes out with the strongest possible bet-size (which I would think was half his stack rather than all-in), I would definitely think about passing the hand.

What else are we expecting him to turn over, for those that say don't think of passing?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Dont think of passing a 732 flop ffs.

This guy seems competent, Alex has obv got an image himself and is looking to keep this player as restricted as poss. Alex 3bets in position and the guy is never going to be suspicious here?? Air comes up here just as likely as premiums.

Alex runs too good that he gets KK vs Lag in position imo. Dont waste them.

And if he has Aces, gg.

[LeKnave]

And if he has Aces, great game, you had a good run.

obv.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Apologies, my bad.

[AlexMartin]

apologies, i was utg+1 w AKs in hand two. and i also made a spelling mistake which has already tilted me.

consensus for hand 1 is flat v LAG yeah. v solid/nitty player we just get it in pre right?

[Dubai]

Hand 1 flat, he is drawing nearly dead 90%+ of the time. Against a real player i might make it 9.5k and snap, but this is the GUKPT, more likely to induce a coma than a shove, stack sizes be miles better for this if you both had an extra 10k therefore givgin the impression he has more fold equity.

Hand 2 depends on a load of table dynamic stuff that you just have to be there for, but given i punish limpers every hand then im never folding the top of my range after raising a limper. But as i said its more game flow based.

[Dubai]

Stu when people 4 bet their ranges are really polarised to nuts/air purely because with marginal hands they dont make this play and therefore dont balance their range. If he is 4 bet folding a marginal hand like JJ AQs etc then he is just retarded, but most of the time people 4 betting range here is literally QQ+ and a shed load of garbage, if he is active then garbage is a massive % of his range. A real good player can balance his range by 4 bet calling wider than QQ+, so like they will 4 bet 88+ and snap a shove, but this aint cash, this is a GUKPT, they DO NOT do this. They literally have it or dont, and given the described table dynamic he just never ever has a hand.

[Dubai]

I should be getting paid for these posts!

[Royal Flush]

I should be getting paid for these posts!

79k enough?

Hand 1 pass to the 4 bet, what else can he have?

Nit

[celtic]

I 4bet Alex with J3 here. It's usually good.

[MANTIS01]

You deffo want to call in hand 1 The banter between the 2 players and the knowledge of what each other are capable of presents an excellent opportunity for you. You raise his open because you don't believe him and he plays back to convince you he's genuine. This is the game of poker no? If you call and he hits top pair you could stack him. Excellent. If you raise you will lose him. If he has A-A you will stack off now or on the flop regardless. Unless the flop is A high. Which it wont be. Because he has A-A. So raising pre only gets business from A-A.....and so is a very very pointless exercise. It is certainly a fact that villain can have A-A, and you will lose, and have to go home. But thinking about that eventuality is a waste of your time, it is like waking up each day thinking you have a brain tumour. Lets just flat, get him pushing with K-9 on a 2-4-9 board, gather up our chips, and move on.

Hand 2 Pushing or folding are both acceptable imo

[Dubai]

I dont fold if the flop is Ace high at any point ever. It just makes your opponents multiple barrel propensity far higher

[easypickings]

I dont fold if the flop is Ace high at any point ever. It just makes your opponents multiple barrel propensity far higher

Dubai, how many players have you come across in the GUKPT who will 4-bet bluff before the flop, and then continue to bluff with air? Remember that most of these people can't even spell multiple barrel.

I agree that his range is probably very polarised, but I don't think we can be too excited about our trap on the flop. I just think it's not very often going to produce  great spots for us. How much of the time does he flop top pair that is not an ace? If he does flop nothing, I think he's going to take one small stab at it at most; the only hands he will be prepared to bluff his stack on are draws that are big enough that we're not thrilled to get it in with KK anyway.

We're going to have to stack off to AA anyway, so we must ignore this hand and not let it confuse our logic.

Let's say the rest of his range is air, and more likely a dangerous hand like 109 suited than Kq offsuit. I  think there is a case for thinking that he is not going to put very many more chips into the pot without decent equity, and moving in now to accept the free chips.

If we think hands like QQ, JJ and 1010 are in his 4-betting range, call to trap.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: easypickings

I think he's going to take one small stab at it at most;

Even if this is true it is infinitely better than forcing him to fold pre. However, I think this is a pretty pessimistic outlook and if we say he is sold on telling the story that he has it and we don't it could be a lot better than that. If he has 9-10 and the flop comes J-Q for e.g. he is not going to go away after a small stab. He will cha cha around the table before slam dunking his chips in the middle thankful that he can sell his story with conviction knowing he isn't drawing dead no matter what. Risk or no risk I want that gamble and will cha cha round the table better than my oppo when I scoop his chips. I win a nice pot and Craig Revel Horwood gives me 10 points. Sweet.

[thetank]

What's with all the cha-cha-cha mantis?

I thought you were a cha-cha-chap.