WALSALL GROSVENOR £200 D/C FREEZEOUT

[MANTIS01]

I shove pre, mainly because oop w 1010 too many overcards gonna drop and give us headaches. hate our position too at this stage of comp, im really hoping he calls with AK/AQ and we can get to work again.

Obv I feel the same. But like I say I had a strong inclination that the guy folds if I play back pre. I'm new at the table, he's well stacked, I'm not, and when he saw his hand he looked like he was folding before deciding to raise. So if you hate your position and want to change it then pushing for another 15k with the 10-10 seems counter-productive. Is it worth dicing with the potential overcards scenario if this is the only way to get business? Also it was the first pair I'd seen in 2 hours and looking down on it was like Vincent Vega opening that briefcase in Pulp Fiction.

[hatthehole]

Nah, the guy was about 60. A 60 year-old-loafer-wearing-tassle-dad type, so would deffo put internet and new fangled in the same sentence. So he would think A-A if I did that.

Just jam pre then.

Fair enough. As played would you be more inclined to call or fold?

live reads here imo. make him sweat for a couple of minutes then decide. online its a fold i think.

Difficult to read a guy you've never played with before after just 3 hands. What default behaviour would you be comparing it to?

i think you usually have to fold here but if your looking for reasons to make a hero call then if he looks nervous or uncomfortable then you can maybe find a call (obv he could look uncomforatble and stilll have the best hand)

[AlexMartin]

I shove pre, mainly because oop w 1010 too many overcards gonna drop and give us headaches. hate our position too at this stage of comp, im really hoping he calls with AK/AQ and we can get to work again.

Obv I feel the same. But like I say I had a strong inclination that the guy folds if I play back pre. I'm new at the table, he's well stacked, I'm not, and when he saw his hand he looked like he was folding before deciding to raise. So if you hate your position and want to change it then pushing for another 15k with the 10-10 seems counter-productive. Is it worth dicing with the potential overcards scenario if this is the only way to get business? Also it was the first pair I'd seen in 2 hours and looking down on it was like Vincent Vega opening that briefcase in Pulp Fiction.

thats cool, we augment by 20%. I dont think we can trap w 1010 oop w our stack v an unknown w no history very effectively.

 give him a chance to make a bad call or do something dumb like fold a flip, always tough w no initiative to play guessing games in these spots from my experience, make life easy.

[MANTIS01]

RESULT:

Thankyou for the advice all

When tassle-guy set me all-in I realised my trap was, in fact, a bollox trap. Even so, I still would have called his overbet on a rainbow A-high board, but the thought process that eventually got me to fold was this...."I reckon when you flat call the flop he puts you on the flush draw and overbet on the turn wants to shut you out of the odds to hit it on river". So thanks to Richard for that contribution. He showed 7-8o for a turned straight draw...and gave me an unintentional rub-down by saying he was sure the 10 was coming. Hate his play personally. Pleased with my initial read of weakness though, and of course he does fold if I play back pre. However, it was the fact that I had been card dead, and only had a stack to dance like John Sergeant that led me down a very complicated path. My line works really well on a good deal of flops, but when you're running like Stephen Hawking it's a bit stupid to try entering a marathon. The last post from Alex tells you why. Everyone who said push pre is correct imo. Everyone who said fold turn made me feel better.

[GlasgowBandit]

RESULT:

Thankyou for the advice all

 He showed 7-8o for a turned straight draw...

I hate when people do this.  Its like they are saying look I am such a great player, it was semi bluff he still had outs I respect the guy that shoves on me with 9 4 or something of that ilk that puts me on mega life tilt! The 7 8o just makes me wanna rip of his head and piss in his neck.