GUKPT £300 Hand - 2 Big Stacks

[Blatch]

Hey all,

Recently played the £300 3.5k DC comp on the GUKPT and had a big hand which I personally think I played really bad and need some help with it please.

I have recently been moved tables and been at current table for 6 hands.  I had around 26k, villain direct on my right has 34k and average chips is 13.8k with blinds at 200/400/25.

Villain raises from MP to 1100 and I look down at      and flat call as I dont want to open myself up to re raise from only player who has me covered.  Button calls and BB makes up.

Flop =       

Villain leads for 2200 - whats your play?

I flatted here, wanting to control the pot size more than anything but pretty certain im good in this spot.  Other two in pot fold.

Turn comes  and villain leads for 3500 - whats your play??

[AlexMartin]

i call flop and i prolly fold turn unless spidey senses say otherwise.

[MANTIS01]

If you are certain you're good on the flop as you say then calling the guy's turn bet is prob your best line. Is raising going to get a better hand to fold? I doubt it. Does A-10 or worse call if you raise? Probably not. Whats going in your favour is there's a very obvious draw on board so any non-heart card on the river invites the guy to have another dink at the pot with atc. So by just calling the turn all those hands that would have folded if you raised can now bet into you thinking you missed. If the flush does come and you were in fact beat by A-K or say A-4 it may well slow your oppo down and gives you a chance to represent yourself. The turn bet size is a worry though and he either has A-4 or hearts imo. Not sure you can call pre and flop with this bastard of a hand and fold the 4 turn for half the pot when you were sure you were good a moment ago.

[AlexMartin]

If you are certain you're good on the flop as you say then calling the guy's turn bet is prob your best line. Is raising going to get a better hand to fold? I doubt it. Does A-10 or worse call if you raise? Probably not. Whats going in your favour is there's a very obvious draw on board so any non-heart card on the river invites the guy to have another dink at the pot with atc. So by just calling the turn all those hands that would have folded if you raised can now bet into you thinking you missed. If the flush does come and you were in fact beat by A-K or say A-4 it may well slow your oppo down and gives you a chance to represent yourself. The turn bet size is a worry though and he either has A-4 or hearts imo. Not sure you can call pre and flop with this bastard of a hand and fold the 4 turn for half the pot when you were sure you were good a moment ago.

[/b]

id assume unknown live villain wouldnt know good double barrel spots. i give beneft of doubt till i see something naughty.

[TheChipPrince]

I think he fires again with any A, and we're ahead of a lot of them, flat it again...

[EvilPie]

It looks to me like he's on a draw. Maybe  or  . Possibly a straighting combo  or 

He's not putting you on a draw as he's giving you a good price to call for it. I think he's the one controlling the pot by making you unsure of how strong your hand is.

Looks like quite a tough spot to be in. I think I call here and call the river if it's a none heart.

If a heart comes down and he checks I'm checking right behind. Definitely not repping anything here. It would take a big bet to get him to pass a stronger ace and I wonder if he's playing to give you a chance to rep and hang yourself.

[MC]

Tbh if you're gonna fold the turn, you should fold the flop. What better card could have come for you bar a Jack?

Think this is a call and see what happens on the river, hoping to fade a heart.

[GreekStein]

Tough spot. His bet looks like he has some sort of drawtastic hand or is massive and looking to induce a raise.

I flat the turn and see what he does on a non-heart river.

Question is Neil, what would ViVi do?

[Blatch]

Tough spot. His bet looks like he has some sort of drawtastic hand or is massive and looking to induce a raise.

I flat the turn and see what he does on a non-heart river.

Question is Neil, what would ViVi do?

This is the thing bud, im not on Vivi's level of thinking and he would have fired all in pre

[Blatch]

Thanks for the input guys.

I was unsure of what he was betting until he bet the 3.5k on the turn.  I saw this a very weak bet and I personally had him on a draw with maybe the gut shot straight too.

I flatted the turn praying for a bnlank on river or even a pair up.  River came  and villain bets 4k pretty quickly into the pot.

Your play?

[Dubai]

I probably call pre, call flop, call turn and shove river

[Thekellster89]

I probably call pre, call flop, call turn and shove river

this, turn hand into bluff.

[Blatch]

I probably call pre, call flop, call turn and shove river

Do you not think the 3.5k turn bet stinks of some sort of draw?

I would be more inclined to shove the river if a low heart comes out as he may well be putting me on the nut flush draw all the way.  Once the  comes down I think its a bad representable card for me.

[EvilPie]

Going by original thoughts this should now be a pass.

4k seems a bit low in to this pot now though so I'm wondering what he's up to.

If you're calling 3.5k on the turn and he now has a monster surely he's betting more. He could have at least 12k out of you if he thought you were drawing which he'd be justified in thinking.

He may have been on a draw but I don't necessarily think it was a very good one any more.

I can't see any merit in calling here but a nice raise wouldn't be the worst move ever.  I don't think the shove is the way forward though. We're looking to get him to pass and I think a raise to 12k gets nothing more than a call unless he's got the stone cold nuts. Depends on the player I suppose but only you know that. Is he capable of bluff 3 betting you here with air or a weak flush when you've made a raise that looks like it wants a call?

At least this way if it goes wrong you're still on around 18bbs with some scope to come back. Shove the lot in and you're only getting called by a big flush, raise it to 12k and surely you're only getting rrai by the nut flush. Even the J flush can only call. I also think that given his stack a 10 or J flush can call an all in just as easily as it can call 12k but neither can shove. Seems to get the same outcome with a possible recovery if it goes wrong.

[Blatch]

Going by original thoughts this should now be a pass.

4k seems a bit low in to this pot now though so I'm wondering what he's up to.

If you're calling 3.5k on the turn and he now has a monster surely he's betting more. He could have at least 12k out of you if he thought you were drawing which he'd be justified in thinking.

He may have been on a draw but I don't necessarily think it was a very good one any more.

I can't see any merit in calling here but a nice raise wouldn't be the worst move ever.  I don't think the shove is the way forward though. We're looking to get him to pass and I think a raise to 12k gets nothing more than a call unless he's got the stone cold nuts. Depends on the player I suppose but only you know that. Is he capable of bluff 3 betting you here with air or a weak flush when you've made a raise that looks like it wants a call?

At least this way if it goes wrong you're still on around 18bbs with some scope to come back. Shove the lot in and you're only getting called by a big flush, raise it to 12k and surely you're only getting rrai by the nut flush. Even the J flush can only call. I also think that given his stack a 10 or J flush can call an all in just as easily as it can call 12k but neither can shove. Seems to get the same outcome with a possible recovery if it goes wrong.

This was pretty much what went through my mind.  I was going to raise to make it look like the value raise on the river however before I did I went back to the beggining of the hand.  If the  didnt come on the river then I could easily represent the nut flush; sadly this is now out the question.  Next best would be the  flush but Had I had this I would expect a player similar to myself to raise on the flop to try to create a big pot.  The other flushes that are left I doubt would raise too many times on the river after he has fired the 3rd bullet. 

I therefore came to the conclusion raising isnt the best option if my opponent is any good and I shoudl either flat here or fold.