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« on: January 19, 2009, 06:47:54 PM »
what do we think to this play early in a stt? I like it but can't help feeling it's not the best play

Seat 1: Yonilicious (945 in chips)
Seat 2: Theroufer (1450 in chips)
Seat 3: olle1617 (1155 in chips)
Seat 4: valerie1987 (1080 in chips)
Seat 5: 40474 (2330 in chips)
Seat 6: BONSAIDYLAN (1650 in chips)
Seat 7: secretplayer (2025 in chips)
Seat 8: hero (1450 in chips)
Seat 9: wolfean (1415 in chips)
valerie1987: posts small blind 15
40474: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [ ]
BONSAIDYLAN: calls 30
secretplayer: folds
hero: calls 30
wolfean: folds
Yonilicious: folds
Theroufer: raises 120 to 150
olle1617: folds
valerie1987: folds
40474: calls 120
BONSAIDYLAN: calls 120
hero: raises 1300 to 1450 and is all-in
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2009, 07:00:13 PM »
I take the line that, early on, it's a case of survival, which means not putting all your chips on the line.
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2009, 07:02:28 PM »
Quote from: gatso on January 19, 2009, 06:47:54 PM
what do we think to this play early in a stt? I like it but can't help feeling it's not the best play

Seat 1: Yonilicious (945 in chips)
Seat 2: Theroufer (1450 in chips)
Seat 3: olle1617 (1155 in chips)
Seat 4: valerie1987 (1080 in chips)
Seat 5: 40474 (2330 in chips)
Seat 6: BONSAIDYLAN (1650 in chips)
Seat 7: secretplayer (2025 in chips)
Seat 8: hero (1450 in chips)
Seat 9: wolfean (1415 in chips)
valerie1987: posts small blind 15
40474: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [ ]
BONSAIDYLAN: calls 30
secretplayer: folds
hero: calls 30
wolfean: folds
Yonilicious: folds
Theroufer: raises 120 to 150
olle1617: folds
valerie1987: folds
40474: calls 120
BONSAIDYLAN: calls 120
hero: raises 1300 to 1450 and is all-in

I am thinking i misclicked.

You don't want to be showdowning 99 ever in the early stages of sng for all your chips.

So therefore this must be a bluff and we are repping qq+ but we would really limp behind 1 other player with qq+, probably not so it isn't a very good bluff either.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2009, 07:05:54 PM »
With this line all better hands probably call, all worse hands probably fold = not a very good line at all. Unless it's very low stakes where the small pp, ace rag brigade are lumping it in you're hardly ever getting your chips in in front here.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2009, 07:07:59 PM »
Interesting thread as although different dynamics i made same type play with AQ in sunday 150 at dtd,i got called by AK and afterwards berated myself for a pretty shit play which it was.I think that taking this line your opp is never going to believe your really strong and AQ 99-1010 is the very top of your range when you make this kind of play so AK JJ-QQ is never or at least should never be making a laydown vs you here.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2009, 07:33:40 PM »
early on I'd fold to any RR
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2009, 07:51:34 PM »
Yeah dislike this, very rarely getting called by 22-88 here, so you're picking up a paltry amount of chips at a very high risk.

Surely just a 3-4x open raise with 99 here?
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 07:59:11 PM »
For our first action, raising and limping are both ok plays with 99 here.

When it gets back to us, I disagree with above posters comment that the amount of chips to be won by shipping it in is paltry, but still, I do agree that shipping it in with 99 here is a probably a poor play.
(fwiw, If I play a hand with this exact line, I have AK or AKo close to 100% of the time)

Coz we're 4 way, and you will close the betting, flatting the raise to set mine is an ok play.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 08:40:07 PM »
not astt but apt i thought..

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PokerStars Game #24067469868: Tournament #134681913, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Level IX (200/400) - 2009/01/19 20:30:57 GMT [2009/01/19 15:30:57 ET]
Table '134681913 136' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: papamuja (13975 in chips)
Seat 2: snoeiboer (12069 in chips)
Seat 3: Borat4life (7561 in chips)
Seat 4: AT2007 (9833 in chips)
Seat 5: HokieFan88 (4567 in chips)
Seat 6: CIA260895 (12881 in chips)
Seat 7: joker0606 (5272 in chips)
Seat 8: Volker55555 (13007 in chips)
Seat 9: 77001 (11646 in chips)
papamuja: posts the ante 50
snoeiboer: posts the ante 50
Borat4life: posts the ante 50
AT2007: posts the ante 50
HokieFan88: posts the ante 50
CIA260895: posts the ante 50
joker0606: posts the ante 50
Volker55555: posts the ante 50
77001: posts the ante 50
HokieFan88: posts small blind 200
CIA260895: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CIA260895 [ ]
joker0606: folds
Volker55555: folds
77001: folds
papamuja: folds
snoeiboer: folds
Borat4life: raises 500 to 900
AT2007: folds
HokieFan88: raises 3500 to 4400
CIA260895: folds
Borat4life: folds
Uncalled bet (3500) returned to HokieFan88
CIA260895 said, "99"
HokieFan88 collected 2650 from pot
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 09:36:34 PM »
Quote from: thetank on January 19, 2009, 07:59:11 PM
I disagree with above posters comment that the amount of chips to be won by shipping it in is paltry,

I misread how many limpers called the raise Smiley

Listen to tank he knows more about STTs than me...
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2009, 09:40:22 PM »
Quote from: MC on January 19, 2009, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: thetank on January 19, 2009, 07:59:11 PM
I disagree with above posters comment that the amount of chips to be won by shipping it in is paltry,

I misread how many limpers called the raise Smiley

Listen to tank he knows more about STTs than me...

ya, that's why I quite like the play even though I know it's not great. lots of wonga when it works
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2009, 09:41:44 PM »
Quote from: cia260895 on January 19, 2009, 07:33:40 PM
early on I'd fold to any RR

we're not facing a rr
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2009, 01:30:08 AM »
Quote from: cia260895 on January 19, 2009, 08:40:07 PM
not astt but apt i thought..

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PokerStars Game #24067469868: Tournament #134681913, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Level IX (200/400) - 2009/01/19 20:30:57 GMT [2009/01/19 15:30:57 ET]
Table '134681913 136' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: papamuja (13975 in chips)
Seat 2: snoeiboer (12069 in chips)
Seat 3: Borat4life (7561 in chips)
Seat 4: AT2007 (9833 in chips)
Seat 5: HokieFan88 (4567 in chips)
Seat 6: CIA260895 (12881 in chips)
Seat 7: joker0606 (5272 in chips)
Seat 8: Volker55555 (13007 in chips)
Seat 9: 77001 (11646 in chips)
papamuja: posts the ante 50
snoeiboer: posts the ante 50
Borat4life: posts the ante 50
AT2007: posts the ante 50
HokieFan88: posts the ante 50
CIA260895: posts the ante 50
joker0606: posts the ante 50
Volker55555: posts the ante 50
77001: posts the ante 50
HokieFan88: posts small blind 200
CIA260895: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CIA260895 [ ]
joker0606: folds
Volker55555: folds
77001: folds
papamuja: folds
snoeiboer: folds
Borat4life: raises 500 to 900
AT2007: folds
HokieFan88: raises 3500 to 4400
CIA260895: folds
Borat4life: folds
Uncalled bet (3500) returned to HokieFan88
CIA260895 said, "99"
HokieFan88 collected 2650 from pot



That's just a bad play.

You should have one hand in the air as you snap this.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2009, 02:57:17 AM »
thats a horrid fold cia, just iso jam
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2009, 06:53:41 AM »
Quote from: cia260895 on January 19, 2009, 08:40:07 PM
not astt but apt i thought..

*********** # 5 **************
PokerStars Game #24067469868: Tournament #134681913, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Level IX (200/400) - 2009/01/19 20:30:57 GMT [2009/01/19 15:30:57 ET]
Table '134681913 136' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: papamuja (13975 in chips)
Seat 2: snoeiboer (12069 in chips)
Seat 3: Borat4life (7561 in chips)
Seat 4: AT2007 (9833 in chips)
Seat 5: HokieFan88 (4567 in chips)
Seat 6: CIA260895 (12881 in chips)
Seat 7: joker0606 (5272 in chips)
Seat 8: Volker55555 (13007 in chips)
Seat 9: 77001 (11646 in chips)
papamuja: posts the ante 50
snoeiboer: posts the ante 50
Borat4life: posts the ante 50
AT2007: posts the ante 50
HokieFan88: posts the ante 50
CIA260895: posts the ante 50
joker0606: posts the ante 50
Volker55555: posts the ante 50
77001: posts the ante 50
HokieFan88: posts small blind 200
CIA260895: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CIA260895 [ ]
joker0606: folds
Volker55555: folds
77001: folds
papamuja: folds
snoeiboer: folds
Borat4life: raises 500 to 900
AT2007: folds
HokieFan88: raises 3500 to 4400
CIA260895: folds
Borat4life: folds
Uncalled bet (3500) returned to HokieFan88
CIA260895 said, "99"
HokieFan88 collected 2650 from pot


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