Am I over complicating this?

[MC]

5 man turbo....

No reads on villain except Sharkscope tells me he is a winning player...

Is this a snapper, fistpump scenario?

KT, KQ, J9 all possible.

I dwelled up on this, cos he has to be strong here...


***** Hand 1438449963 *****
15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - Monday, February 02, 2009 2:49:53 PM
Holdem Turbo (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: Atkinator- (2185.00)
Seat 2: cazino (1440.00)
Seat 3: mmj7771 (1545.00)
Seat 4: Albandito2 (1455.00)
Seat 5: Dima22 (875.00)
Dima22 post SB 15.00
Atkinator- post BB 30.00
** Deal **
Atkinator- [, ]
cazino [N/A, N/A]
mmj7771 [N/A, N/A]
Albandito2 [N/A, N/A]
Dima22 [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
cazino Call 30.00
mmj7771 Call 30.00
Albandito2 Fold
Dima22 Raise to 60.00
Atkinator- Call 60.00
cazino Call 60.00
mmj7771 Call 60.00
*** Flop(Board): *** : [, , ]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
Dima22 Check
Atkinator- Check
cazino Bet 130.00
mmj7771 Call 130.00
Dima22 Fold
Atkinator- Raise to 530.00
cazino Fold
mmj7771 All-in 1485.00
Atkinator- .......

[EvilPie]

Don't like the call pre.

As played with two pair they've got to go in. What more did you want?

There's plenty of hands that you're beating and it's not like you're out if you call and lose anyway. 600 at this level is enough for a comeback so it's a snap for me.

[MC]

Don't like the call pre.

I see your point, but dima was a donkey...could be min-raising with anything and I'm in the bb...

[TheChipPrince]

Call then sigh.

[EvilPie]

Don't like the call pre.

I see your point, but dima was a donkey...could be min-raising with anything and I'm in the bb...

Sorry didn't spot that.

The call's not too bad then but you knew you were going to be in a 4 way pot possibly facing a decision.

Still got to get it in. If he's got it just sigh and start on your comeback mission with your 600 chips.

[LeKnave]

put ur hand in the air and scream ''i am getting paiiiiid'' to the rafters.  and then call.

[EvilPie]

put ur hand in the air and scream ''i am getting paiiiiid'' to the rafters.  and then call.

Not too many iiiiiii's pls.

we don't want to timeout.

Prob best to call first before the screaming starts.

[Longy]

If you are not stacking this flop, why the hell are you calling pre.

I would fold pre and then strike the one hand in the air pose on the flop.

[AlexMartin]

not saying i would fold, but f me his line is ridiculously strong. oh 2.5:1, ok yeah call. i want to fold though.

[MC]

not saying i would fold, but f me his line is ridiculously strong. oh 2.5:1, ok yeah call. i want to fold though.

Yeah this was effectively my thinking as well

[EvilPie]

Surely if we're laying down 2 pair here in this type of tournament it's time to give up.

Yes you may expect to be beaten but you can't ever pass.

If you pass this you might as well never raise again unless you've got the nuts.

[StuartHopkin]

Does it make a difference what buy in level were playing at here?

I dont go much higher than $20 and would be calling this so fast as I would expect to see top pair, overpair a lot more often than the straight.

[AlexMartin]

Surely if we're laying down 2 pair here in this type of tournament it's time to give up.

Yes you may expect to be beaten but you can't ever pass.

If you pass this you might as well never raise again unless you've got the nuts.

i disagree tbh mate, its 6 way to the flop and you only have the 6th nuts. two hands that ur nearly always up against here are KJ and specifically the  ""limp-worthy"" Q10. problem with your hand is you have no real equity if he has one of those hands and his line is pretty indicative of the nuts. id wager results say he has KJ or Q10, but once you raise to 500 you have to call the shove....................

Does it make a difference what buy in level were playing at here?

I dont go much higher than $20 and would be calling this so fast as I would expect to see top pair, overpair a lot more often than the straight.

at $50 sng or higher people are NEVER playing AA this retardly preflop, also, anyone with half a brain should quickly see 1 pair with no draw is not good here.

[Laxie]

Don't like the call pre.

I see your point, but dima was a donkey...could be min-raising with anything and I'm in the bb...

If you're in the BB, why does it say you called 60 instead of 30 (as you already had 30 in on the BB)?

[EvilPie]

Surely if we're laying down 2 pair here in this type of tournament it's time to give up.

Yes you may expect to be beaten but you can't ever pass.

If you pass this you might as well never raise again unless you've got the nuts.

i disagree tbh mate, its 6 way to the flop and you only have the 6th nuts. two hands that ur nearly always up against here are KJ and specifically the  ""limp-worthy"" Q10. problem with your hand is you have no real equity if he has one of those hands and his line is pretty indicative of the nuts. id wager results say he has KJ or Q10, but once you raise to 500 you have to call the shove....................

In that case should we be flatting to try to keep the pot small?

Isn't our raise essentially a bluff if we're folding to a shove?

It seems a very nasty hand in an sng and exactly the reason not to get involved with K9 pre in a sit n go.

I agree 100% that there is a strong probability that we're behind but like you say we've got in to such a mess we now can't pass.