What Would You Do?

[daviebhoy]

As I said at the time, I think the key is what exactly are you beating bar AK?

Maybe im saying that cos I had been playing with the tight arse for 4 hours or so

Why call with JQ pre if his range here is AJ+, JJ+ ? And why the debate whether or not to call ?

If he is that tight you are only beating AK, KQs & KK. If he is playing more aces then its probably a call otherwise fold.

[MANTIS01]

As I said at the time, I think the key is what exactly are you beating bar AK?

Loads of hands. If the guy c-bets the flop holding spades he can easily push the spade turn. He can easily push with A-10 or A-K. The fact there's 10k in the pot and he's only got 10k left means he's gonna be sorely tempted to shove atc. If he c-bets with 10-10 he could shove because he knows checking means having to muck in about 2 secs. A player may be tight generally but the other option here of c-fold and play on with 10bbs tends to loosen people up. Anyway, we don't know he's tight even. He could be American and would table A-rag 100% of the time.

[Blatch]

As I said at the time, I think the key is what exactly are you beating bar AK?

Maybe im saying that cos I had been playing with the tight arse for 4 hours or so

Why call with JQ pre if his range here is AJ+, JJ+ ? And why the debate whether or not to call ?

If he is that tight you are only beating AK, KQs & KK. If he is playing more aces then its probably a call otherwise fold.

I would have called with QJ, quite simply due to the fact he was a very easy player to take a pot away from if he misses.  He also made it very obvious when he missed and here it was obvious to me that the QJ was behind.  When kev was thinking about calling I thought he was considering calling with AQ himself.

[Blatch]

As I said at the time, I think the key is what exactly are you beating bar AK?

Loads of hands. If the guy c-bets the flop holding spades he can easily push the spade turn. He can easily push with A-10 or A-K. The fact there's 10k in the pot and he's only got 10k left means he's gonna be sorely tempted to shove atc. If he c-bets with 10-10 he could shove because he knows checking means having to muck in about 2 secs. A player may be tight generally but the other option here of c-fold and play on with 10bbs tends to loosen people up. Anyway, we don't know he's tight even. He could be American and would table A-rag 100% of the time.

The standard of the tourney was poor and most players were playing tight and incredibly ABC.  The guy would never shove without thinking he is winning after a flop bet had been called.  He also wasnt the type of player to c-bet.  The last bet was also 14k.

The fact that we dont know he's tight should lean more to a fold considering that we have a huge edge on the field and we can find far easier ways to get chips and that were well above average chips.

[MANTIS01]

The standard of the tourney was poor and most players were playing tight and incredibly ABC.  The guy would never shove without thinking he is winning after a flop bet had been called.  He also wasnt the type of player to c-bet.  The last bet was also 14k.

The fact that we dont know he's tight should lean more to a fold considering that we have a huge edge on the field and we can find far easier ways to get chips and that were well above average chips.

Revealing all the info that you know and we don't clouds the answer to our own particular situation though Blatch. We don't know the guy doesn't c-bet or shove light or any of this stuff. These are the reasons you could play the hand better than us...and are the very reasons calling pre with J-Q is spewy for the newly seated Hero. Ultimately it's down to whether you call an unknown when he pushes without this additional info. And I would call fast. If I didn't call fast why on earth am I getting involved vs an unknown with this hand in the 1st place? This isn't the strategy of someone who has the huge edge over the field that you suggest. The mistake isn't calling the push it's calling at all imo. Making a loose pre-flop call with a marginal hand, hitting 2 pair, and then having to soul-read an unknown to find a hero-muck is making poker very hard imo.