Intresting spot from stars 100f 4 handed

[MC]

good level

Honest mis-read of stacks.

whatever the stacks are its a horrid shove, turning a hand with showdown value into a bluff. calling turn, calling river is >>>>>>>.. than shoving turn

Fair point, it's just our hand is so vulnerable to getting counterfeited...

Check-raise on the flop an option? Or does that look unconvincing on this board?

[EvilPie]

am i the only one who flats pre and just folds the flop this deep?

Was thinking similar.

Possibly even just pass pre. I hate deuces!!

[I KNOW IT]

am i the only one who flats pre and just folds the flop this deep?

Was thinking similar.

Possibly even just pass pre. I hate deuces!!

Deuces never loses

[action man]

never pass lol   look at the implied odds stack v stack vs a laggy oppo. In these spots vs a big stack i just like to set mine small pairs, if we miss just c/f flop  no biggie we have lost one of our 70bb's, next hand plz

[booder]

never pass lol   look at the implied odds stack v stack vs a laggy oppo. In these spots vs a big stack i just like to set mine small pairs, if we miss just c/f flop  no biggie we have lost one of our 70bb's, next hand plz

this for me.

[MANTIS01]

The betting pattern vs the board tells me villain shows up with the nuts or air in this spot. As such op plays the hand well imo.

[EvilPie]

never pass lol   look at the implied odds stack v stack vs a laggy oppo. In these spots vs a big stack i just like to set mine small pairs, if we miss just c/f flop  no biggie we have lost one of our 70bb's, next hand plz

Re-checking stacks.

Stacks re-checked.

Yes. Call every time.

If he's laggy though how about a raise pre? Maybe then we can win the pot without hiting a set?

[MANTIS01]

never pass lol   look at the implied odds stack v stack vs a laggy oppo. In these spots vs a big stack i just like to set mine small pairs, if we miss just c/f flop  no biggie we have lost one of our 70bb's, next hand plz

Re-checking stacks.

Stacks re-checked.

Yes. Call every time.

If he's laggy though how about a raise pre? Maybe then we can win the pot without hiting a set?

Just inflates the pot and has no chance of getting through...makes hand harder imo.

[action man]

never pass lol   look at the implied odds stack v stack vs a laggy oppo. In these spots vs a big stack i just like to set mine small pairs, if we miss just c/f flop  no biggie we have lost one of our 70bb's, next hand plz

Re-checking stacks.

Stacks re-checked.

Yes. Call every time.

If he's laggy though how about a raise pre? Maybe then we can win the pot without hiting a set?

Just inflates the pot and has no chance of getting through...makes hand harder imo.

+1

why we trying to make this hand anything other than set mining hoping to win a huge pot vs him

[TheChipPrince]

Are we being a little stubborn here calling all the way down thinking other big stack doesnt have it in him to attack us, the other big stack?

[NoflopsHomer]

never pass lol   look at the implied odds stack v stack vs a laggy oppo. In these spots vs a big stack i just like to set mine small pairs, if we miss just c/f flop  no biggie we have lost one of our 70bb's, next hand plz

I totally agree with Trigg here.

[Royal Flush]

fwiw i don't think he is raising anything in the 4-5-6 range as he would have to call the shortstacks jam and he hadn't put himself in those spots often in this tournament, my bb had a smooth ride 4 handed, he only opened on it a few times.

[George2Loose]

fwiw i don't think he is raising anything in the 4-5-6 range as he would have to call the shortstacks jam and he hadn't put himself in those spots often in this tournament, my bb had a smooth ride 4 handed, he only opened on it a few times.

What about 4's, 5's and 6's?

As played I would snap call. Your hand looks so much like a draw that I think he would check anything with showdown value so air is a big part of his range here (obv he has a boat or air imo)

Did he show any propensity to value bet thin? (FWIW I would bet a K in this spot)

[thetank]

I quite like the line here.

I understand the set mining point, but if the villian is the kind of player who is capable and likely to fire three bullets with overcards, then aren't we ignoring a decent wedge of EV by not calling him down on a flop of this texture?

[MANTIS01]

fwiw i don't think he is raising anything in the 4-5-6 range as he would have to call the shortstacks jam and he hadn't put himself in those spots often in this tournament, my bb had a smooth ride 4 handed, he only opened on it a few times.

What about 4's, 5's and 6's?

As played I would snap call. Your hand looks so much like a draw that I think he would check anything with showdown value so air is a big part of his range here (obv he has a boat or air imo)

Did he show any propensity to value bet thin? (FWIW I would bet a K in this spot)

Agree with that George. I think he checks anything with showdown value....but i'm inclined to think that includes a K as well. If hero c-jams villain puts himself in an impossible position...and the situation means that's a completely unnecessary headache for him to deal with. So he's only really compelled to bet if he has nuts or air...so that's what i'd expect to see. Hero obv never calls a missed draw and 4-5-6 isn't obviously in his calling range either so betting the K seems rather pointless.