A straddle question

[dik9]

I have been dealing poker for over 20 years now and got stumped yesterday in a cash game, referred to a numerous amount of experienced dealers, and the answer i got was very mixed.

Situation

£1/£2 NLHE straddled to £4 re-straddled £8

What is the minimum raise to here? £12 or £16

FWIW I plumped for £16 but was told that was wrong by one TD and right by another ........ thoughts please, apart from what a ghey raise!

[GlasgowBandit]

Surely has to be £16.

£8 with £8.

I was kind of thinking that it may be £2 + £8.  But that just sounds a bit daft.

[Alverton]

only ever £16.







That is all.

[gatso]

if it's straddled again it should be 16

if it's just a raise then I think 16 if you're in ireland or on the pokerden. 12 in the rest of the civilised world

[Free_Rollin]

Not many people are ever sure with this one!

As mentioned, if re-straddled, definitely to £16.

However, if it's a raise, the minimum should be to £12 total, since the last raise was £4 with £4. So, utg can now raise a minimum of £4... or so the thinking was shared at DTD.

[GreekStein]

Not many people are ever sure with this one!

As mentioned, if re-straddled, definitely to £16.

However, if it's a raise, the minimum should be to £12 total, since the last raise was £4 with £4. So, utg can now raise a minimum of £4... or so the thinking was shared at DTD.

THIS!!!

[Yogi-Bear]

The re straddle sets the bet at £8 not £4 + £4 so it should be £16. 

Shouldn't it???

Plus y ask a TD surely the Cash Game Supervisor's would be better equipped to answer the question, as you can't straddle in the Tourneys.

HEHEHE

Yogi

[kinboshi]

Now the Norwegians are in town, the minimum raise would be to £256.

[dik9]

The re straddle sets the bet at £8 not £4 + £4 so it should be £16. 

Shouldn't it???

Plus y ask a TD surely the Cash Game Supervisor's would be better equipped to answer the question, as you can't straddle in the Tourneys.

HEHEHE

Yogi

Cash game supe said £12 lol

[dik9]

I always thought that straddling was "buying" the blind, and the minimum bet was double the biggest blind ......... that was my thinking for saying £16 btw

[gatso]

The re straddle sets the bet at £8 not £4 + £4 so it should be £16. 

Shouldn't it???

no, straddling doesn't change the blind level otherwise the min bet post flop would be £8 which it obviously isn't. the straddle is a blind bet that buys you position pf. it does not make your bet into the new big blind

all that's happened in the op is 2 blind raises have been made, the last one being a raise of £4 so that should be the min raise for the next player to act (unless as I said before we're in ireland)

[Longines]

Not many people are ever sure with this one!

As mentioned, if re-straddled, definitely to £16.

However, if it's a raise, the minimum should be to £12 total, since the last raise was £4 with £4. So, utg can now raise a minimum of £4... or so the thinking was shared at DTD.

THIS!!!

That.

[RichEO]

If it's a proper straddle to £8 (and not a blind raise) then the min raise is now £16.

If the £8 is classed as a blind raise (ie not live, and ridiculous and no point in making it anymore!) then the 1st raise could be to £12.

The difference between a blind raise and a straddle is some places don't allow straddles or only the 1st straddle to be live. This means the 1st person to act (but before cards are dealt) could now make it any amount they wanted, which would be a blind raise, it won't be live and usual raising rules would apply, 2 x the previous raise. With a proper straddle it is just 2 x the last straddle.

[RichEO]

The re straddle sets the bet at £8 not £4 + £4 so it should be £16. 

Shouldn't it???

no, straddling doesn't change the blind level otherwise the min bet post flop would be £8 which it obviously isn't. the straddle is a blind bet that buys you position pf. it does not make your bet into the new big blind

all that's happened in the op is 2 blind raises have been made, the last one being a raise of £4 so that should be the min raise for the next player to act (unless as I said before we're in ireland)

I disagree with all of this! Straddling pretty much does make your £8 the new BB and it does raise the blinds but it's only for this street. A straddle and a blind raise are completely different.

Now, anyone for sleeper straddles 

And they have just stopped people from being able to straddle from any position in manchester G casino, right before the festival. Worst thing for manchester poker ever 

[Wardonkey]

If it's a proper straddle to £8 (and not a blind raise) then the min raise is now £16.

If the £8 is classed as a blind raise (ie not live, and ridiculous and no point in making it anymore!) then the 1st raise could be to £12.

The difference between a blind raise and a straddle is some places don't allow straddles or only the 1st straddle to be live. This means the 1st person to act (but before cards are dealt) could now make it any amount they wanted, which would be a blind raise, it won't be live and usual raising rules would apply, 2 x the previous raise. With a proper straddle it is just 2 x the last straddle.

Huh?