AA super deep - do I need to get in this spot pre?

[GreekStein]

Played in DTD last night as you can't pass up a good scandie opportunity imo.

Bit of background to the hand....sat on a £1/2 uncapped game in which I was one of only 3 non scandies at the table. I bought in for £400 and 3 hours later my stack is at roughly £1550. I've been the butt of many 'nit' jokes that are all in good spirits as I've essentially nut peddled while the scandies have exchanged stacks with air most of the night and the table is now really deep with 7 people playing £1k+. I've shown down QQ,KK and A7clubs for a nut flush but I've picked up KK 3 times and got paid most streets on each occasion. One guy Tore is in for £3k+ and doesn't seem to like money or folding any hand. He's just rebought for £2k.

Anyway the hand in question is straddled to 4 8 and £16 and raised UTG +2 to £45. I pick up AA in the next seat and decide to overraise slightly as I knew the raiser at least was getting his £400 stack in but I didn't want to play a multiway pot or get cute this deep. I made it £185 and Tore on my left moves in for £2k declaring 'I haven't even looked but it might be fun to outdraw you' and then picks up his beer again. Cut off without much thought ships his £1400, a la Phil Hellmuth and SB dwells a while too before announcing all in for £1700. Initial raiser declares he can't pass and moves in for his last bit.

I was obviously like wtf as I expected to go heads up with Tore and fistpump my way to £3.5k. Obviously the shortstack is fairly irrelevant but I really didn't feel I had to gamble here with 4 people already all in with similar stacks to mine and my hand now being a significant dog to win the pot. If I lost it would have set me on tilt. Another consideration was that I didn't have my debit card and only another £300 on me which might not get me far again in this game whereas my strat of seeing flops with strong hands and getting paid by the scandies who we're happy calling off £200 with gutshots and bare overs etc was working perfectly.

Sorry for the rabble but just spoke to 2 ppl on msn and one thinks I should be shot and the other thinks my argument for passing is ok.

Thoughts appreciated.

*waits to get shot down*

[AndrewT]

If you're playing against someone who isn't looking at his cards, then by looking at yours you're putting yourself at a serious disadvantage. If you didn't know you had AA, you'd just ship the money in for the gamboool and wouldn't have this tough decision to make.

So, in summary - drink more, look less.

[TheChipPrince]

I think its borderline Greekstein, the statement below is a fair point, why use this sitution you describe when you can literally sit there and pick them off for value all day long...

Another consideration was that I didn't have my debit card and only another £300 on me which might not get me far again in this game whereas my strat of seeing flops with strong hands and getting paid by the scandies who we're happy calling off £200 with gutshots and bare overs etc was working perfectly.

I can see arguments for both, personally I call, but turn them over with my eyes closed knowing were probs only going to be about 30% - 40% fave against 3 others...




Oh, I guess even you are a nit compared to the scandies!!

I've been the butt of many 'nit' jokes that are all in good spirits

[tikay]

The easiest Pass I ever saw.

I've made a grand without ever risking my stack. Why get greedy? I'll drive home just as happy with a £1k profit as I will with a £5k profit. And a lot happier than if I lost a grand playng no-look Scandie Bingo.

Do I need to end wih a smiley?.........

[jakally]

Firstly, I ship it in. Every day of every week.
I am not going to be playing under-rolled and its a +EV spot.

I reckon you are >40% to scoop, and as much as 50% (could be wrong tho).

Therefore 4 times out of 10 I am +£4.5k on the hand, and 6/10 down £1.5k.
Looks simple call to me.

I take your point about future EV with your current stack, but whats to say your next decision isn't going to be a similar call at worse odds, given the way the game is playing.

[TightEnd]

EV or not, I simply wouldn't risk the money.

[gatso]

decide to overraise slightly as I knew the raiser at least was getting his £400 stack in but I didn't want to play a multiway pot or get cute this deep. I made it £185

I hate this thinking. you've been at the table long enough to know that however much you make it the hand is likely to be multiway. I'd prefer to see you make a min raise in this situation or maybe even a call to give us room to get away from the hand if, as is very likely, it all goes mental. you've got to pass given the action and could've saved yourself £140 if you'd just called

[boldie]

decide to overraise slightly as I knew the raiser at least was getting his £400 stack in but I didn't want to play a multiway pot or get cute this deep. I made it £185

I hate this thinking. you've been at the table long enough to know that however much you make it the hand is likely to be multiway. I'd prefer to see you make a min raise in this situation or maybe even a call to give us room to get away from the hand if, as is very likely, it all goes mental. you've got to pass given the action and could've saved yourself £140 if you'd just called

I couldn't disagree more...I reckon £185 is about the right amount...on a table like that you'll also gt plenty action no matter what you raise. I reckon you could call for an extra 1k though but no that everyone has shipped 2k'ish into the pot and you only have 3k, I'd fold.

[kinboshi]

I bought in for £400 and 3 hours later my stack is at roughly £1550.

Blatant brag post imo.

[WellChief]

No poker player can afford to pass up this much EV.

[action man]

anyone who says pass, GIVE UP POKER NOW!

if we are even thinking baout passing then, we shouldnt be playing this deep.

After the blind guy jams, AQ/AK are happy to get it in behind him. Snap call and collect the huge pot about 50-60% of the time imo.

[kinboshi]

anyone who says pass, GIVE UP POKER NOW!

if we are even thinking baout passing then, we shouldnt be playing this deep.

After the blind guy jams, AQ/AK are happy to get it in behind him. Snap call and collect the huge pot about 50-60% of the time imo.

I can see the reason why some would pass though.  Like you say, maybe he's playing too deep - so it should be time for him to get up and leave the table whilst he's ahead?

[action man]

norrrrrrrrr i been levelled, wp

[TightEnd]

can he put like £750 in his pocket before he calls the final all in bet so that if he loses he's not too exposed. Then pull out the £750 and play with that?

[kinboshi]

norrrrrrrrr i been levelled, wp