flopped straight v v early in deepstack

[david3103]

Not my hand, but one that occurred and involved a mate recently.

Live MTT 10,000 stacks, fourth hand.

In BB having folded first 3 hands.
One limper, SB makes up, 46off - check

Flop

3 5 7 rainbow
SB bets 150 (pot)

mate raised to 500
limper folds
SB reraises to 1500

action?

[TheChipPrince]

Seen as there isnt a hand we're behind too, shove it in...

[EvilPie]

4 bet and hope oppo has a set and shoves.

If we flat here I think our hand is almost face up. It's too obvious that we are strong so we have to hope oppo is also strong.

Also by flatting there are a few cards that could stop us getting paid as they could scare off a set. If a 4 or 6 come on the turn then a set is likely to lay down in a deepstack against one of the blinds.

Try to build the pot as big as possible now. If he passes then it doesn't matter because you weren't getting any more out of him anyway.

[Numpty Dumpty]

4 bet and hope oppo has a set and shoves.

If we flat here I think our hand is almost face up. It's too obvious that we are strong so we have to hope oppo is also strong.

Also by flatting there are a few cards that could stop us getting paid as they could scare off a set. If a 4 or 6 come on the turn then a set is likely to lay down in a deepstack against one of the blinds.

Try to build the pot as big as possible now. If he passes then it doesn't matter because you weren't getting any more out of him anyway.

[daviebhoy]

Raise to 3750 coz we want him to think we are 5-betting light and can fold to his 6-bet.

[AlexMartin]

CALLLLL!!!!!!!

any other play is ridic unless opponent is incompetent.

[boldie]

I'm with Alex, I flat call here. Shoving does nothing for you IMO.

[EvilPie]

CALLLLL!!!!!!!

any other play is ridic unless opponent is incompetent.

What are we repping with a call?

Are we trying to pretend we're on a gutshot or just hoping that he catches up a bit?

Unless he's on an over pair and makes a set I can't see how we get any more out of him later on than we do now.

Not trying to knock the call I'm just interested to hear your thinking behind it.

[EvilPie]

I'm with Alex, I flat call here. Shoving does nothing for you IMO.

I agree that we shouldn't shove but again I can't see the benefit of the call.

We're deep stacked which gives us the chance to 4 bet to induce a shove so why not take it?

[daviebhoy]

We're deep stacked which gives us the chance to 4 bet to induce a shove so why not take it?

Coz opponent probably folds unless he is completlely useless and incapable of folding 2 pair/overpair to our 5-bet. He is surely only shoving a set ? We have flopped the nuts and have 3 more streets to get all his chips in. He can have air here aswell and we have more chance of letting him bluff off the rest of his chips if we call the flop. It looks an awful lot like he is trying to represent the hand we have.

[EvilPie]

We're deep stacked which gives us the chance to 4 bet to induce a shove so why not take it?

Coz opponent probably folds unless he is completlely useless and incapable of folding 2 pair/overpair to our 5-bet. He is surely only shoving a set ? We have flopped the nuts and have 3 more streets to get all his chips in. He can have air here aswell and we have more chance of letting him bluff off the rest of his chips if we call the flop. It looks an awful lot like he is trying to represent the hand we have.

He is never bluffing this with air against an SB who's just made up unless the board does something weird. Not given the action on the flop.

What card can possibly make him more confident on the turn and enable us to get more chips in? Maybe if he's got an overpair and the board pairs he might like it a bit better. If he's got tptk (doubtful) and picks up a flush draw possibly.

If he's putting more chips in on the turn he'll put them in now imo. The flat call looks equally as strong as the re raise and gives him less chance of making a costly mistake.

[daviebhoy]

I disagree. We are 4 hands in - opponent could be a maniac and 4-betting here with air.

There is 3000 in the pot and we both have 8000 behind. If he bets on turn (likely) then he is basically committed to the hand so we have no need to put him to a big decision on the flop to get all his chips.

(Can I make the prediction that villain has 57 and stacks hero when he fills up on turn or river ?)

[Longy]

Flat all day long.

3betting here only gets villian to stack off with a very small part of his range. We can widen range up massively by flatting here, i completely disagree this turns our hand face up, unless we have tonnes of history and from the op that seems very unlikely.

[Simon Galloway]

call, watch it pair up immediate service on the turn and throw up.

[Newmanseye]

Live game?

THis is prime for a bit of speech play, to induce the call afetr a shove.