Player dependent call?

[DTD-ACES]

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is other than its a nit so we can 3bet good hands) we look down at a good hand and our 3b size is fine as he is never folding to it with a 'lol' 13x open, he looks back at QQ and goes "oooh i can beat AK lets see if i get a safe flop so i can stack off" instead he hits a set and you then proceed to do a full pot bet.....all that happened here was the guy got lucky, i am slightly worried that he doesn't just jam the flop into us as he might do with JJ etc but meh he should never have AA as we clearly are not 3betting to 45BB to pass but then he opens to 13BB so who knows!

Basically this pot has already been arranged pre, you got someone to stick in 1/3 of their stack with a smaller pair, sure 1/8 times they out flop you, the rest of the time they shove the 872 flop thinking you have AK.

Interesting analysis based on flawed information.

I was not UTG , there had already been a raise to £3 ( a player who had ironically won the previous hand with QQ flopping set over set v 22 that had reraised preflop ) which i reraised to £11 and Pyso reraised to £31 , original raiser folded and i flat called . Flop was Q high and the hand was now simple , check raise his £50 bet to £98 all in which as he says i did immediately , i was surprised he didn't call instantly with KK and obviously my comment re AK is to induce the call.

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is

Well at least i now know your crystal clear opinion of my abilities as you assume i would have made such a ridiculous bet without considering the OP has misquoted the hand..

Congratulations on your SCOOP results.

ACES

Thanks for posting Simon.

I apologise if I missed the fact that there had been a raise prior to yourself. I did remember you being UTG+1 but I must have missed the original raise. I probably did so as I was looking at my Kings (I usually don't look until it's my turn and this is why).

When I came home I tried to go through the hand and I seemed to remember raising a bigger total than £31, but if your memory of the exact figure is more accurate then fair enough and once again I am sorry to get it wrong.

I was just trying give a general gist of how the hand went and make my point that the call for me was complicated by the fact that it was you in the hand, not your average £0.50/£1 player. It can be difficult sometimes to remember exact totals, short of actually writing them down immediately. For example the flop I quoted is probably not 100% accurate but the key point was the Queen, two of a suit and two undercards not particularly connected.

This has now put me off posting a hand analysis in the future as I do not wish to create the scenario above.

Don't stop posting , it is easy to make a mistake when recounting a hand.

I am able to remember hands because i used to do a diary so got used to memorising them . In this hand you said i was UTG + 1 which was correct . The reason i remember your exact raise is because it was exactly £20 more than my reraise to £11.

I had said i was just killing time for an hour so it is possible i would call a reraise with AQ out of position to a tight reraiser . You were very unlucky on your last hand when you went all in for £28 and i called with A8 v your 99 and rivered the A.

The fact that you are actually watching what other players do when they are betting and how they react to the flop as well as ananlysing hands later means that in the long term you will be a winning player.

Cheers

ACES

[Pyso]

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is other than its a nit so we can 3bet good hands) we look down at a good hand and our 3b size is fine as he is never folding to it with a 'lol' 13x open, he looks back at QQ and goes "oooh i can beat AK lets see if i get a safe flop so i can stack off" instead he hits a set and you then proceed to do a full pot bet.....all that happened here was the guy got lucky, i am slightly worried that he doesn't just jam the flop into us as he might do with JJ etc but meh he should never have AA as we clearly are not 3betting to 45BB to pass but then he opens to 13BB so who knows!

Basically this pot has already been arranged pre, you got someone to stick in 1/3 of their stack with a smaller pair, sure 1/8 times they out flop you, the rest of the time they shove the 872 flop thinking you have AK.

Interesting analysis based on flawed information.

I was not UTG , there had already been a raise to £3 ( a player who had ironically won the previous hand with QQ flopping set over set v 22 that had reraised preflop ) which i reraised to £11 and Pyso reraised to £31 , original raiser folded and i flat called . Flop was Q high and the hand was now simple , check raise his £50 bet to £98 all in which as he says i did immediately , i was surprised he didn't call instantly with KK and obviously my comment re AK is to induce the call.

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is

Well at least i now know your crystal clear opinion of my abilities as you assume i would have made such a ridiculous bet without considering the OP has misquoted the hand..

Congratulations on your SCOOP results.

ACES

Thanks for posting Simon.

I apologise if I missed the fact that there had been a raise prior to yourself. I did remember you being UTG+1 but I must have missed the original raise. I probably did so as I was looking at my Kings (I usually don't look until it's my turn and this is why).

When I came home I tried to go through the hand and I seemed to remember raising a bigger total than £31, but if your memory of the exact figure is more accurate then fair enough and once again I am sorry to get it wrong.

I was just trying give a general gist of how the hand went and make my point that the call for me was complicated by the fact that it was you in the hand, not your average £0.50/£1 player. It can be difficult sometimes to remember exact totals, short of actually writing them down immediately. For example the flop I quoted is probably not 100% accurate but the key point was the Queen, two of a suit and two undercards not particularly connected.

This has now put me off posting a hand analysis in the future as I do not wish to create the scenario above.

Don't stop posting , it is easy to make a mistake when recounting a hand.

I am able to remember hands because i used to do a diary so got used to memorising them . In this hand you said i was UTG + 1 which was correct . The reason i remember your exact raise is because it was exactly £20 more than my reraise to £11.

I had said i was just killing time for an hour so it is possible i would call a reraise with AQ out of position to a tight reraiser . You were very unlucky on your last hand when you went all in for £28 and i called with A8 v your 99 and rivered the A.

The fact that you are actually watching what other players do when they are betting and how they react to the flop as well as ananlysing hands later means that in the long term you will be a winning player.

Cheers

ACES

Thanks, I don't feel so bad now.

I'd win even more if I didn't nod off at 3am.

Perhaps I should buy a course in "Instant Memory Improvement"

Those ones on ebay must be genuine.

..oh and that's the last time I peak at my cards early...

[George2Loose]

Why would anyone play 50/£1 then? Aren't you still only allowed to sit down with 100 quid? If the standard raise is to 13* that doesn't leave much play does it??? I'd rather sit short at a 1/2 table

[Royal Flush]

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is other than its a nit so we can 3bet good hands) we look down at a good hand and our 3b size is fine as he is never folding to it with a 'lol' 13x open, he looks back at QQ and goes "oooh i can beat AK lets see if i get a safe flop so i can stack off" instead he hits a set and you then proceed to do a full pot bet.....all that happened here was the guy got lucky, i am slightly worried that he doesn't just jam the flop into us as he might do with JJ etc but meh he should never have AA as we clearly are not 3betting to 45BB to pass but then he opens to 13BB so who knows!

Basically this pot has already been arranged pre, you got someone to stick in 1/3 of their stack with a smaller pair, sure 1/8 times they out flop you, the rest of the time they shove the 872 flop thinking you have AK.

Interesting analysis based on flawed information.

I was not UTG , there had already been a raise to £3 ( a player who had ironically won the previous hand with QQ flopping set over set v 22 that had reraised preflop ) which i reraised to £11 and Pyso reraised to £31 , original raiser folded and i flat called . Flop was Q high and the hand was now simple , check raise his £50 bet to £98 all in which as he says i did immediately , i was surprised he didn't call instantly with KK and obviously my comment re AK is to induce the call.

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is

Well at least i now know your crystal clear opinion of my abilities as you assume i would have made such a ridiculous bet without considering the OP has misquoted the hand..

Congratulations on your SCOOP results.

ACES

50p-£1 player made standard 3bet size, back to now not being a clown imo

I have played like a clown before in games like that so its nothing to do with your abilities just depends how you decide to play, i remember killing an hour in there at the £1-£2 and opening every pot to £50 i still think i can play the game even if it this game i was being a donkey.

Thankyou.

P.S. Psyo in this spot i would 3bet bigger than £31, its pretty clear Simon has a hand if he is 3betting a UTG open from UTG+1 so you can charge him more for the flop.

[Pyso]

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is other than its a nit so we can 3bet good hands) we look down at a good hand and our 3b size is fine as he is never folding to it with a 'lol' 13x open, he looks back at QQ and goes "oooh i can beat AK lets see if i get a safe flop so i can stack off" instead he hits a set and you then proceed to do a full pot bet.....all that happened here was the guy got lucky, i am slightly worried that he doesn't just jam the flop into us as he might do with JJ etc but meh he should never have AA as we clearly are not 3betting to 45BB to pass but then he opens to 13BB so who knows!

Basically this pot has already been arranged pre, you got someone to stick in 1/3 of their stack with a smaller pair, sure 1/8 times they out flop you, the rest of the time they shove the 872 flop thinking you have AK.

Interesting analysis based on flawed information.

I was not UTG , there had already been a raise to £3 ( a player who had ironically won the previous hand with QQ flopping set over set v 22 that had reraised preflop ) which i reraised to £11 and Pyso reraised to £31 , original raiser folded and i flat called . Flop was Q high and the hand was now simple , check raise his £50 bet to £98 all in which as he says i did immediately , i was surprised he didn't call instantly with KK and obviously my comment re AK is to induce the call.

All i saw was 50p-£1 player makes it 13x in EP so we can assume they probably aren't that good (i would put them str8 into the clown box, i don't care who it is

Well at least i now know your crystal clear opinion of my abilities as you assume i would have made such a ridiculous bet without considering the OP has misquoted the hand..

Congratulations on your SCOOP results.

ACES

50p-£1 player made standard 3bet size, back to now not being a clown imo

I have played like a clown before in games like that so its nothing to do with your abilities just depends how you decide to play, i remember killing an hour in there at the £1-£2 and opening every pot to £50 i still think i can play the game even if it this game i was being a donkey.

Thankyou.

P.S. Psyo in this spot i would 3bet bigger than £31, its pretty clear Simon has a hand if he is 3betting a UTG open from UTG+1 so you can charge him more for the flop.

Indeed, if I had realised Simon's bet was a 3-bet I would have raised more.....but then again maybe I did see the original bet and it's why I raised to £45...I'm confusing myself now.....lol.........

..........but the more I think about it, when I posted I was very sure that this was what I'd raised (£45), so it was a bit weird when Simon came on to tell me otherwise. I was sure I started the hand with £165 and that there was £90 in the pot on the flop, which was why I chose a c-bet of £50. and when I called his shove the extra £48 left me with about £30 which is right because I deffo stuck that in a few hands later.

Anyway, it doesn't matter now.

The point I was trying to make remains the same and I need a more reliable memory

[MKKfish]

Bad shuffling ITT.

??

Hand 1. UTG flops set of
Hand 2. UTG +1 flops a set of


 

[Pyso]

Bad shuffling ITT.

??

Hand 1. UTG flops set of
Hand 2. UTG +1 flops a set of


 

Oh right, I get you. It was the acronym ITT that threw me. Still don't know what it means lol

[MKKfish]

Bad shuffling ITT.

??

Hand 1. UTG flops set of
Hand 2. UTG +1 flops a set of


 

Oh right, I get you. It was the acronym ITT that threw me. Still don't know what it means lol

I'm not going to tell you but the answer is there for all to see in this thread.

[Pyso]

Bad shuffling ITT.

??

Hand 1. UTG flops set of
Hand 2. UTG +1 flops a set of


 

Oh right, I get you. It was the acronym ITT that threw me. Still don't know what it means lol

I'm not going to tell you but the answer is there for all to see in this thread.

I obviously get your reference to the poor shuffle (re: Simon's comment about 2 consecutive flopped sets), I just didn't know what ITT stood for. Pardon me for not being in with the kids.