AK in mid stages of Blackpool £100

[Cf]

I've recently moved tables, and have prob been here for about an hour. It is already apparant though that villian is simply just bad. He is the ultimate calling station, and when he does bet he bets big. From the bets I've actually seen the cards for it's been an OESD and nothing. I have recently tripled up against him, with AA against his K7 (which he limped with in mid pos after i limped utg) on a 568 flop (some other guy had JJ too).

He is currently sat on about 100k.
I'm sat on roughly 75k.

Blinds are 1000/2000-200

Villian limps UTG+2
I raise to 7000 in the CO with 
All fold to villian, who picks his cards up and starts to look like he's folding, but he calls

Flop: 

Villian bets 50,000

Your move?

[The Camel]

Easy shove.

[AlexMartin]

Hmmmm, this could be argued both ways i think. Given u have no FE and are probably flipping v his value range(v something like QsJh) and im certain he is never bluffing here, im not sure if i want to play a 100bbpot. Mood dependant on shove or fold. Please hold back on results as im intrigued by others thoughts.

[Longy]

Yep shove we have a read, that when he bets big that he doesn't necessarily have it. So we must be a favourite against his range.

[GreekStein]

I know what Alex is saying but this idiot shoves to protect with so many Ax hands that include and don't include hearts we can't pass here.

[noble1]

Easy shove.

Easy fold

All fold to villian, who picks his cards up and starts to look like he's folding, but he calls

is this a clue? is it the classic tell - act when they are weak when they are strong? if so QQ maybe 88 fits in with his style/choice of betting imo from how villain has been described..

You have plenty of play left in your stack plus Mr spewy is on your right,these 2 factors also would influence my decision to fold..

[GreekStein]

Easy shove.

Easy fold

All fold to villian, who picks his cards up and starts to look like he's folding, but he calls

is this a clue? is it the classic tell - act when they are weak when they are strong? if so QQ maybe 88 fits in with his style/choice of betting imo from how villain has been described..

You have plenty of play left in your stack plus Mr spewy is on your right,these 2 factors also would influence my decision to fold..

lol noble get real @ easy fold vs this donk.

Its easier to say fold knowing you'll be right in this scenario cos most hands on here are when people lose but long term decision we have to get them in here.

[MANTIS01]

Easy shove.

Easy fold

All fold to villian, who picks his cards up and starts to look like he's folding, but he calls

is this a clue? is it the classic tell - act when they are weak when they are strong? if so QQ maybe 88 fits in with his style/choice of betting imo from how villain has been described..

You have plenty of play left in your stack plus Mr spewy is on your right,these 2 factors also would influence my decision to fold..

Not sure I agree. If villain is of a mind to throw off a reverse tell he has at least some depth of thought. So here's a guy who's looking to trap his oppo by conveying weakness...And wouldn't such a guy check the flop to convey weakness and trap his oppo into betting? That's his strat isn't it? Betting 50k with a set isn't the trappy slow play kinda guy who hollywood-smoothed A-A pre-flop imo.

While he could have a small flush or 2 pair he could also have a host of other hands you have crushed, so I'm prepared to gamble with this guy. Shove for me.

[noble1]

this is not a ''they only post bad beats on forums'' as i explained my decision based on Mr spewys act pre-flop.
Also the way villain has been described and previous hands played/described then his huge over bet to me is the trap as he would have Cf on a strong hand which will most likely call.. The recent triple up being another factor in how read it here..just because villain played a oesd fast in a limped pot 3way pot and tripled up Cf when he limped AA and has been caught once on a bluff does not warrant a instant donk status imo..

[GreekStein]

this is not a ''they only post bad beats on forums'' as i explained my decision based on Mr spewys act pre-flop.
Also the way villain has been described and previous hands played/described then his huge over bet to me is the trap as he would have Cf on a strong hand which will most likely call.. The recent triple up being another factor in how read it here..just because villain played a oesd fast in a limped pot 3way pot and tripled up Cf when he limped AA and has been caught once on a bluff does not warrant a instant donk status imo..

Do you not think from the OP you are giving donkey a bit too much credit?

We really have to believe this bet means a set or flush do we?

[gribbo]

you are crushing so many Ax hands get it in! Reckon the guy has .

Are you playing higher than normal in this tourney? What is the payout structure? Runners left?

I would get it in here tbh.

[noble1]

this is not a ''they only post bad beats on forums'' as i explained my decision based on Mr spewys act pre-flop.
Also the way villain has been described and previous hands played/described then his huge over bet to me is the trap as he would have Cf on a strong hand which will most likely call.. The recent triple up being another factor in how read it here..just because villain played a oesd fast in a limped pot 3way pot and tripled up Cf when he limped AA and has been caught once on a bluff does not warrant a instant donk status imo..

Do you not think from the OP you are giving donkey a bit too much credit?

We really have to believe this bet means a set or flush do we?

putting this actual situation aside greek if we play to a ''std'' get those chips in as per a lot of forum advice with TPTK on a 1 suit flop like this..then yes i overbet Mr std Tag with my made flush as it is the best way to exploit [hate that word maybe take advantage is better]

Also you keep labeling him a donkey? why because he played a oesd in a 3way pot against AA+JJ in a limped pot and still had 100k in chips after? as stated above i do not class this as a donk play he had the odds and stack to do so..hence he still had 100k left..i just question CF's assumption here based on the 2 showdowns he has seen,the other being a bluff..that villain is bad?

[Cf]

A bit of clarification on the villian - the best way I can word it is he was simply terrible. He didn't seem to have a clue what he was doing, and seemed to luck his way into most of his chips.

I gave a couple of examples, but it's hard to convey without actually being there what he was like. Clueless. So things such as suspecting the "looking like he was going to fold is a classic reverse tell" can be discounted. I was 90% happy that he looked like he was going to fold, but then changed his mind.


Sorry, forgot to include payout info. 40ish players left from 131. Top 12 get paid. And yes, this tourney is within my bankroll.

[Longy]

this is not a ''they only post bad beats on forums'' as i explained my decision based on Mr spewys act pre-flop.
Also the way villain has been described and previous hands played/described then his huge over bet to me is the trap as he would have Cf on a strong hand which will most likely call.. The recent triple up being another factor in how read it here..just because villain played a oesd fast in a limped pot 3way pot and tripled up Cf when he limped AA and has been caught once on a bluff does not warrant a instant donk status imo..

So OP calls villian "simply just bad" in his OP and you don't think he warrant donk status for the discussion of this hand. Surely the idea of PHA is to work on the reads OP has given.

As Cos says you are giving villian way too much credit in most cases, folding here is like setting light to money imo.

[GreekStein]

noble u tilt me more than anything