AK in mid stages of Blackpool £100

[noble1]

Longy i don't think you follow what i was trying to point out..In Cf's 1st post he described villain as bad but the 2 showdowns he gave did not imo should not lead him to think that..Cf has now posted again so i assume he saw more showdowns than originally written..
If it was just the 2 showdowns that CF had described/seen then my opinion would still be fold but as per info now then rrai is the best approach..

Surely the idea of PHA is to work on the reads OP has given.

as above the reads given [oesd 3way limped pot + a bluff] led me to question his read,is this bad?

you don't think he warrant donk status for the discussion of this hand

at no point did i say that this hand did not warrant discussion,where did you get that?

From the bets I've actually seen the cards for it's been an OESD and nothing. I have recently tripled up against him, with AA against his K7 (which he limped with in mid pos after i limped utg) on a 568 flop (some other guy had JJ too).

[MANTIS01]

this is not a ''they only post bad beats on forums'' as i explained my decision based on Mr spewys act pre-flop.
Also the way villain has been described and previous hands played/described then his huge over bet to me is the trap as he would have Cf on a strong hand which will most likely call.. The recent triple up being another factor in how read it here..just because villain played a oesd fast in a limped pot 3way pot and tripled up Cf when he limped AA and has been caught once on a bluff does not warrant a instant donk status imo..

Betting 50k is "the trap" because he would have Cf on a strong hand which will most likely call?? Why will he have Cf on a strong hand which will most likely call? All Cf's done is standard raise pre. And from this info alone villain puts him on a hand strong enough to get his big stack in? Especially on a one suit board? No, he doesn't think that. That is not "the trap". You simply can't say betting out 50k is the best strat to exploit Cf's post-flop strength because you have no idea if Cf is strong post-flop. Villain has no idea Hero has TPTK and that's where your thinking breaks down. Hero could have 2 black 4's and insta-muck, gg slow-play. This guy is crazy and he's doing crazy things. Those crazy things involve some hands that beat us but also include many more hands that don't.

[GreekStein]

noble sees things that arent there

[noble1]

i would discuss my thinking with you mantis as you take time out to post more than 1 sentence on your thoughts,but mr greekstein has pissed me off 1 to many times with his childish little quips and snide comments [something that is a recurring theme in most replies i post that he has a habit of doing]
so i dont particularly feel like replying to you - mantis - right now ..
 i will add this though -

You simply can't say betting out 50k is the best strat to exploit Cf's post-flop strength because you have no idea if Cf is strong post-flop. Villain has no idea Hero has TPTK and that's where your thinking breaks down. Hero could have 2 black 4's and insta-muck, gg slow-play. This guy is crazy and he's doing crazy things. Those crazy things involve some hands that beat us but also include many more hands that don't.

you dismiss my thinking based on image yes? but allude to guy doing crazy things based on what? a oesd 3way?Cf describes further in OP as villain being a calling station so why the sudden change of pattern?

He is the ultimate calling station,

[MANTIS01]

Why do I allude to the guy doing crazy things? He's leading 50k into an 18k pot vs an oppo with 75k. That's why. That and op saying so.

[GreekStein]

i would discuss my thinking with you mantis as you take time out to post more than 1 sentence on your thoughts,but mr greekstein has pissed me off 1 to many times with his childish little quips and snide comments [something that is a recurring theme in most replies i post that he has a habit of doing]
so i dont particularly feel like replying to you - mantis - right now ..
 i will add this though -

You simply can't say betting out 50k is the best strat to exploit Cf's post-flop strength because you have no idea if Cf is strong post-flop. Villain has no idea Hero has TPTK and that's where your thinking breaks down. Hero could have 2 black 4's and insta-muck, gg slow-play. This guy is crazy and he's doing crazy things. Those crazy things involve some hands that beat us but also include many more hands that don't.

you dismiss my thinking based on image yes? but allude to guy doing crazy things based on what? a oesd 3way?Cf describes further in OP as villain being a calling station so why the sudden change of pattern?

He is the ultimate calling station,

now you know what it's like

[noble1]

But op made no comment that villain was over betting pots just betting big etc but he did say villain was the ultimate calling station ..
so if we go by Cf's read that villain is a calling station/bad player that imo makes him passive enough so that all the hands that he could have imo which we are beating like Ax or a flush draw KhQx etc etc would make it more likely for him to check call with here surely?.So why the huge over bet is what i'm asking myself.If he is bad as described then 2 pair or a set maybe make more sense and a slim chance of a spewy bluff,but even the bluff does not make much sense which keeps bringing me back to sets,2 pairs or a small made flush being the more likely hands here and maybe a flush draw with a inside straight..
So given the hand combos that villain may have and Cf's stack size then a reluctant fold could be the best option.

If the original question had been ''what range would we put a bad player on here after his over bet'' then most answers would be get your chips in,but Cf has him as a ultimate calling station which totally changes how i view this scenario.

[NoflopsHomer]

[X] Shove.
[X] Win Tournament.
[X] Buy noble1 year's subscription to CardRunners.

[TheChipPrince]

We're probs 60/40 fave here in most cases, not sure what tourney ave is but looks like we can take a big chip stack into some important levels, call...

[Longy]

[X] Shove.
[X] Win Tournament.
[X] Buy noble1 year's subscription to CardRunners.

[X] Stake Noble1 in the 2009 origami World Championships.

[Cf]

[X] Shoved
[ ] Won Tournament
[X] Won Hand

Villian turned over  

Turn:  
River:  

So, contrary to what Greekstein said this is actually a hand on PHA that ends up winning

I posted it because a few people at the time were suprised by my shove. My thinking was that yes, i'm probably only 60/40, but this was such a nice situation to pick up a big stack. Villian was obv going to spew his chips off to somebody, and I decided that I'd quite like that somebody to be me.

After the hand he got up and walked away from the table. ...and never returned. He still had 30kish left so not sure if he thought he was felted or not. Further adding to my read of moron

[GreekStein]

[X] Shoved
[ ] Won Tournament
[X] Won Hand

Villian turned over 

Turn: 
River: 

So, contrary to what Greekstein said this is actually a hand on PHA that ends up winning

I posted it because a few people at the time were suprised by my shove. My thinking was that yes, i'm probably only 60/40, but this was such a nice situation to pick up a big stack. Villian was obv going to spew his chips off to somebody, and I decided that I'd quite like that somebody to be me.

After the hand he got up and walked away from the table. ...and never returned. He still had 30kish left so not sure if he thought he was felted or not. Further adding to my read of moron

Nice one mate. I thought it was a losing hand as most normally are on here as people seem not to think about how they could have played winning hands better.

As I said though I would def shove here. Nh gg wp.

Love the 5 on the river too...it's a nice rubdown card.

[Cf]

Oh, I forgot about that... he even did the "but i have two pair" confusion speech once the 5 came down lol