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[kinboshi]

If you need someone sorting out Tikay, don't bother with Matt, give me a call.

I did LOL at this. 

[EvilPie]

very harsh.  guy sounds like a prick and that power has went to his head.  id prob tell him to go f**k himself and end up getting barred from the club
if you take the penalty then it means he has won

 

Of course you would.

[ScottMGee]

This consistency needs to be even stricter in the festival/deepstack weekends. The club brings in a lot of outside dealers who must be made to enforce the rules in exactly the same way

I am in two minds about the need for strict rules, on one hand it ensure consistency on the other hand it can be almost petty.

Playing in a 50p/£1 cash game recently the UTG drops a single £5 chip over line and a fraction of a second later announces raise. Now I was next to act and hadn't acted yet, however the dealer ruled the UTG action as a call as the chip hit the felt before the player announced raise. Whilst this might be technically correct the time difference was miniscule and player was a relatively new player and enforcing the rule seemed to me to serve no purpose for that specific incident.

[Woodsey]

This consistency needs to be even stricter in the festival/deepstack weekends. The club brings in a lot of outside dealers who must be made to enforce the rules in exactly the same way

I am in two minds about the need for strict rules, on one hand it ensure consistency on the other hand it can be almost petty.

Playing in a 50p/£1 cash game recently the UTG drops a single £5 chip over line and a fraction of a second later announces raise. Now I was next to act and hadn't acted yet, however the dealer ruled the UTG action as a call as the chip hit the felt before the player announced raise. Whilst this might be technically correct the time difference was miniscule and player was a relatively new player and enforcing the rule seemed to me to serve no purpose for that specific incident.

Sorry dude, but that is 100% correct. The problem is if you don't penalise the small infringements where do you stop, 1 secs, 2 secs, 5 secs after? People have to learn the rules and once they know they probably won't do it a second time.

[gatso]

This consistency needs to be even stricter in the festival/deepstack weekends. The club brings in a lot of outside dealers who must be made to enforce the rules in exactly the same way

I am in two minds about the need for strict rules, on one hand it ensure consistency on the other hand it can be almost petty.

Playing in a 50p/£1 cash game recently the UTG drops a single £5 chip over line and a fraction of a second later announces raise. Now I was next to act and hadn't acted yet, however the dealer ruled the UTG action as a call as the chip hit the felt before the player announced raise. Whilst this might be technically correct the time difference was miniscule and player was a relatively new player and enforcing the rule seemed to me to serve no purpose for that specific incident.

I would be quite concerned if I was playing at a venue that didn't enforce that rule. they'd be opening the door for all sorts of angle shooting and if they're going to ignore the most basic rules what are they going to do with the others?

[ScottMGee]

Sorry dude, but that is 100% correct. The problem is if you don't penalise the small infringements where do you stop, 1 secs, 2 secs, 5 secs after? People have to learn the rules and once they know they probably won't do it a second time

We were talking within the second -  I would have thought an explanation of the rule would have been sufficient.

I definitely agreed about the consistency thing, playing in the tournament one night I had the same situation happen to me twice with different rulings.

I raise in mid position, SB doesn't notice and calls. 1st time this happened the dealer rules than the 50 chips (difference between SB and BB) had to stay in the pot. 2nd time (different player and different dealer) the dealer ruled the player could have 200 chips back (blinds 200/400) and was simply warned. This was sometime ago, but I was annoyed the 200 chips were returned but didn't want to make a big deal of it.

[Woodsey]

Sorry dude, but that is 100% correct. The problem is if you don't penalise the small infringements where do you stop, 1 secs, 2 secs, 5 secs after? People have to learn the rules and once they know they probably won't do it a second time

We were talking within the second -  I would have thought an explanation of the rule would have been sufficient.

I definitely agreed about the consistency thing, playing in the tournament one night I had the same situation happen to me twice with different rulings.

I raise in mid position, SB doesn't notice and calls. 1st time this happened the dealer rules than the 50 chips (difference between SB and BB) had to stay in the pot. 2nd time (different player and different dealer) the dealer ruled the player could have 200 chips back (blinds 200/400) and was simply warned. This was sometime ago, but I was annoyed the 200 chips were returned but didn't want to make a big deal of it.

Call the floor they would have corrected it, it was probably one of the outside dealers that comes in the for weekend that made the mistake.

[dik9]

Sorry dude, but that is 100% correct. The problem is if you don't penalise the small infringements where do you stop, 1 secs, 2 secs, 5 secs after? People have to learn the rules and once they know they probably won't do it a second time

We were talking within the second -  I would have thought an explanation of the rule would have been sufficient.

I definitely agreed about the consistency thing, playing in the tournament one night I had the same situation happen to me twice with different rulings.

I raise in mid position, SB doesn't notice and calls. 1st time this happened the dealer rules than the 50 chips (difference between SB and BB) had to stay in the pot. 2nd time (different player and different dealer) the dealer ruled the player could have 200 chips back (blinds 200/400) and was simply warned. This was sometime ago, but I was annoyed the 200 chips were returned but didn't want to make a big deal of it.

I made a terrible ruling whilst giving the £150 supe a break yesterday, and put it down to a brain fart, and was thinking of a completely different rule.
Blinds 300/600 UTG went all-in for 5000+, folded round to the button, who put 1700 in without saying anything (didn't see the all-in). If he had said raise, I would have made him raise the all-in, if he said call, I would of made him call, but not saying anything must have thrown me for a bit lol. Anyway, I made a bad rule that he could take it back, as for some reason I was thinking of a 50% rule DUH!! Two players, asked me to check the rules with the Dave which I did, turned out my brain fart was more like diarrhea. Of course the ruling is the 1700 must stay in pot and the player has the option of making it up or forfeiting the chips, confirmed by Yogi and Mark after, don't know what I was thinking

I apologised the hand after to the players and the table and told them i had made the wrong ruling  but won't make that mistake again, the player it effected the most, was very gracious about it. TY if you read this.

[tikay]

Sorry dude, but that is 100% correct. The problem is if you don't penalise the small infringements where do you stop, 1 secs, 2 secs, 5 secs after? People have to learn the rules and once they know they probably won't do it a second time

We were talking within the second -  I would have thought an explanation of the rule would have been sufficient.

I definitely agreed about the consistency thing, playing in the tournament one night I had the same situation happen to me twice with different rulings.

I raise in mid position, SB doesn't notice and calls. 1st time this happened the dealer rules than the 50 chips (difference between SB and BB) had to stay in the pot. 2nd time (different player and different dealer) the dealer ruled the player could have 200 chips back (blinds 200/400) and was simply warned. This was sometime ago, but I was annoyed the 200 chips were returned but didn't want to make a big deal of it.

I made a terrible ruling whilst giving the £150 supe a break yesterday, and put it down to a brain fart, and was thinking of a completely different rule.
Blinds 300/600 UTG went all-in for 5000+, folded round to the button, who put 1700 in without saying anything (didn't see the all-in). If he had said raise, I would have made him raise the all-in, if he said call, I would of made him call, but not saying anything must have thrown me for a bit lol. Anyway, I made a bad rule that he could take it back, as for some reason I was thinking of a 50% rule DUH!! Two players, asked me to check the rules with the Dave which I did, turned out my brain fart was more like diarrhea. Of course the ruling is the 1700 must stay in pot and the player has the option of making it up or forfeiting the chips, confirmed by Yogi and Mark after, don't know what I was thinking

I apologised the hand after to the players and the table and told them i had made the wrong ruling  but won't make that mistake again, the player it effected the most, was very gracious about it. TY if you read this.

So it's not just players that make mistakes?

Fair play to you Rich for fessing up.

[gatso]

don't let that dbc fella read that post dik. he'd call you a prick and tell you to gfy if you made a correct ruling, god only knows what he's going to do if he finds out you've made a mistake

[dik9]

PMSL - takes allsorts

[I KNOW IT]

Sorry dude, but that is 100% correct. The problem is if you don't penalise the small infringements where do you stop, 1 secs, 2 secs, 5 secs after? People have to learn the rules and once they know they probably won't do it a second time

We were talking within the second -  I would have thought an explanation of the rule would have been sufficient.

I definitely agreed about the consistency thing, playing in the tournament one night I had the same situation happen to me twice with different rulings.

I raise in mid position, SB doesn't notice and calls. 1st time this happened the dealer rules than the 50 chips (difference between SB and BB) had to stay in the pot. 2nd time (different player and different dealer) the dealer ruled the player could have 200 chips back (blinds 200/400) and was simply warned. This was sometime ago, but I was annoyed the 200 chips were returned but didn't want to make a big deal of it.

I made a terrible ruling whilst giving the £150 supe a break yesterday, and put it down to a brain fart, and was thinking of a completely different rule.
Blinds 300/600 UTG went all-in for 5000+, folded round to the button, who put 1700 in without saying anything (didn't see the all-in). If he had said raise, I would have made him raise the all-in, if he said call, I would of made him call, but not saying anything must have thrown me for a bit lol. Anyway, I made a bad rule that he could take it back, as for some reason I was thinking of a 50% rule DUH!! Two players, asked me to check the rules with the Dave which I did, turned out my brain fart was more like diarrhea. Of course the ruling is the 1700 must stay in pot and the player has the option of making it up or forfeiting the chips, confirmed by Yogi and Mark after, don't know what I was thinking

I apologised the hand after to the players and the table and told them i had made the wrong ruling  but won't make that mistake again, the player it effected the most, was very gracious about it. TY if you read this.

So it's not just players that make mistakes?

Fair play to you Rich for fessing up.