Hypothetical ruling over something that tilts the hell out of me

[I KNOW IT]

i'm not a td lol

phatomch thinks u are, or are u just a dealer?

not even that lol, i'm a player. i use the term "as a dealer" above because as i say, this is a hypothetical one

oh ok. so whats your opinion on what should happen?
To me its quite straight forward and it should have been to the dealer in question

[Cf]

i'm not a td lol

phatomch thinks u are, or are u just a dealer?

not even that lol, i'm a player. i use the term "as a dealer" above because as i say, this is a hypothetical one

oh ok. so whats your opinion on what should happen?

kill the hand! Will stop them doing this sort of nonsense. We might get more than 5 hands per hour in.

I'd use the logic of "players know you must show 2 cards to claim a pot. he only showed 1 card, therefore I assume he isn't claiming the pot, therefore I am killing his hand" to support my argument.

[I KNOW IT]

i'm not a td lol

phatomch thinks u are, or are u just a dealer?

not even that lol, i'm a player. i use the term "as a dealer" above because as i say, this is a hypothetical one

oh ok. so whats your opinion on what should happen?

kill the hand! Will stop them doing this sort of nonsense. We might get more than 5 hands per hour in.

I'd use the logic of "players know you must show 2 cards to claim a pot. he only showed 1 card, therefore I assume he isn't claiming the pot, therefore I am killing his hand" to support my argument.

Did the dealer ask him to open his hand and he refused ? You cant just go about killing hands to "teach them a lesson"

[Cf]

i'm not a td lol

phatomch thinks u are, or are u just a dealer?

not even that lol, i'm a player. i use the term "as a dealer" above because as i say, this is a hypothetical one

oh ok. so whats your opinion on what should happen?

kill the hand! Will stop them doing this sort of nonsense. We might get more than 5 hands per hour in.

I'd use the logic of "players know you must show 2 cards to claim a pot. he only showed 1 card, therefore I assume he isn't claiming the pot, therefore I am killing his hand" to support my argument.

Did the dealer ask him to open his hand and he refused ?

Nope, just sat back and left them to it pretty much. Dealer should def play more of a role in hurrying things up.

[StuartHopkin]

No as it isnt clearly his intention to fold.

So you can but you shouldnt.

How can you? its a betting line not a folding line. Hes pushed his hand forward to declare it. He has to show both cards though

Pull his cards in and award the pot to the other player?

[Doc Bok]

What if in the above situation ( 4 flush on the board ) Villan shows the ace for nut flush , then throws the other card FACE DOWN into the centre of the table.
is that a dead hand ?

[kinboshi]

What if in the above situation ( 4 flush on the board ) Villan shows the ace for nut flush , then throws the other card FACE DOWN into the centre of the table.
is that a dead hand ?

Yes, if the other card vanishes into the muck then he can't table both cards to claim the pot.

[I KNOW IT]

What if in the above situation ( 4 flush on the board ) Villan shows the ace for nut flush , then throws the other card FACE DOWN into the centre of the table.
is that a dead hand ?

If the other card lands into the muck and is unidentifiable then yes its dead as you need to have 2 cards to have a live hand.
Even if you are playing the board

[Boba Fett]

.Basically, the reason I ask is there's a few players at Alea who constantly do this. And it seems to be spreading. Showdowns are taking so long. It really is tilting. I had one last week where I called a river bet and the following exchange took place:

Him: "Have you got a flush?"
Me: "Show your cards"
"I can't beat a flush"
"Show your cards"
"I've got an Ace"
"Show your cards"
"Can you beat an Ace?"
"Show your cards"
-- he now shows an Ace
"Show your other card"
"Can you beat that?"
"Show your other card"
-- now turns over the other one
"Thank you."

How strong was your hand when this exchange took place?  This kind of thing is a current pet peeve of mine in live cash when the player insisting on seeing the other players cards actually has the effective nuts.

[RobS]

So annoying. When there is a bet and a call on the river the Bettor should instantly do one of two things, either a) instantly turn both cards face up or b) instantly muck his hand both cards face down. Anything else is just a tilting waste of time, declaring "two pair" or whatever without revealing, or as in the example in the OP.

Never a problem on the internet though.

[jonlundy]

+1

[#1Instigator]

Dealer have to ask if he wants to show the other card, if not, then insta muck!

It seems to me the problem is the speed of the game that's in question and not specifically this situation where someone is trying to win the pot by getting technical with the rules.

It is not really the player's fault, as you mentioned, everyone is doing it, and the dealers and managements are not doing much to speed things up. It is slowing the game down, so its best to just regard it as another player that takes his time :p

[Cf]

.Basically, the reason I ask is there's a few players at Alea who constantly do this. And it seems to be spreading. Showdowns are taking so long. It really is tilting. I had one last week where I called a river bet and the following exchange took place:

Him: "Have you got a flush?"
Me: "Show your cards"
"I can't beat a flush"
"Show your cards"
"I've got an Ace"
"Show your cards"
"Can you beat an Ace?"
"Show your cards"
-- he now shows an Ace
"Show your other card"
"Can you beat that?"
"Show your other card"
-- now turns over the other one
"Thank you."

How strong was your hand when this exchange took place?  This kind of thing is a current pet peeve of mine in live cash when the player insisting on seeing the other players cards actually has the effective nuts.

Obv if I have what I think is a probable winner then I show it. In this case I had AK. So did he.

[Girgy85]

Why is this happening at Alea? Shouldnt the dealers control who shows?

[thetank]

Heaven forbid the tourists should have a little fun at showdown.